Russian planes get instantaneous ESM from whatever sensors they have in game, but all the US aircraft (and possibly aircraft like the rafale and eurofighter, but I don’t have experience with them in game) do not have this, despite having it in real life. They should have the ability to use their AESA radar to scan ESM instantaneously similar to the russian ESM. the aircraft I am specifically talking about are the F-16 PoBIT and the super hornet, as the F-15 GE does not have ARMs.
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Russian planes get their ESM from their RWR not radar, that’s why the tooltip in the xray says: L-150 ESM
yes and NATO RWRs also have ESM, they just arent modeled with it in game
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Yes, Rafale, EFT, and Gripen E are missing intergrated ESM. Even the Tornado IDS SLE is missing intergrated ESM.
As to why only the soviets have intergrated ESM and it performs considerably better than AGM-88 based ESM? Its kinda self-explanatory
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This is the same for bluefor aircraft.
EFT is the same, with 360 FoV and instant updates for its ESM as its electronic not mechanical
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why gaijin gotta overmodel eastern stuff, meanwhile aircraft like the POBiT still have the damage model radar of the block 50, instead of the AESA it is supposed to have
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Makes sense when you remember that Gaijin is a Russian company
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one could hope for a dev team that is neutral in their development and additions of every nation…
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Yeah… never going to happen
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Long story short, ESM is another one of those features that have been added to several aircraft in-game and then is not expanded afterwards. It is a real big issue that Gaijin keeps doing with every new feature that they introduce into the game.
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They are modeled as integral, it’s just they’re disabled as a game function when ARMs aren’t equipped.
Not being available when missiles aren’t equipped =/= not integral to the aircraft in-game.
@Venndigo7192
Gaijin is neutral in their development.
@Morvran The European Union isn’t Russia.
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Please identify a SINGLE aircraft that isnt Soviet in origin that has intergrated ESM
and if that is true, then they are MASSIVELY underpeforming and its really wierd it lists the ESM as “AGM-88”…
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the J-10A/C and jh7s
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So there is one, my mistake there then, but still a redfor aircraft.
Not a single bluefor aircraft at least
and none from Europe
I did in another topic.
Having integrated ESM =/= being able to use it without the missiles in-game.
Not being able to use it without the missiles in-game =/= it is not integrated into the aircraft itself.
It’s weird that we can’t use it on aircraft that it’s integrated on, but it’s still there as part of the aircraft & present… integrated.
The question you should be asking is the following: “What aircraft with integrated ESM can I activate without having the missiles equipped?”
Cause the only ones without integration will be the ones that require a pod [F-16CM].
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Except that is not the issue here. Even IF that is true, which I dont think it is. Then why do ALL the aircraft that rely upon AGM-88 for ESM list AGM-88 as the source for the ESM and why is it incredibly slow scan rates, in-line with sources for the AGM-88 and not the actual rates and coverage areas for the aircraft in question.
EFT for example should be full 360 coverage with instant updates not the incredibly slow mechanical scan rate with a limited FoV of the AGM-88.
ESM is not modeled for any bluefor aircraft. Only AGM-88 based ESM.
Regardless of whether or not you can use ESM with or without an ARM missile equipped on a soviet aircraft, their ESM is an order of magnitude better than the ARM-based ESM on bluefor aircraft. Which is just stupid.
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ESM isn’t correctly modeled on any aircraft; it’s also not a “super-important” feature. Super-important, as in something that is beyond important for early targeting of radars.
Knowing what radars exist if you don’t have the weapons to target them doesn’t help us.
Someone said Flankers’ is based on the RWR, I’d need proof @MeanBROSofD72805 , and if that’s the case then the ESM coverage of Flankers are inaccurate as well.
But at the end of the day, Gaijin implemented the feature to be functional, not to be accurate.
Functional now, accuracy later.
Especially since we don’t have electronic warfare in the game yet which IMO matters far, far more than getting ESM accurate.
Electronic warfare, better flare code, the improvements to radar cross sections they’re working on all matter more than making ESM more accurate to me; and they’ll make ESM more accurate in time regardless.
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Its not though. The AGM-88 based ESM is so slow that its literally pointless to use. Thats the point.
You are literally just better off activating and deactivating the seeker until you get hte target you want. Literally all I do in NE.
Thats if I even bother with the 2x AGM-88Cs given how bad they are, but thats another matter entirely.
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it is for quick reactions to pantsirs, the agm-88 scan is meant for long range SPAA like in NE. right now, the instantaneous scan on russian aircraft is a huge advantage in ground RB.
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it is pretty important for staying alive. you can also use other weapons to target radars or SAM’s
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