I’m simply returning your own logic to you. Want a tank based on historical ties? Okay, I want a tank based on technological ties then. This goes both ways my guy.
You aint using my logic how about we stop
Mimimi.
Bruh.
so basically the canadian leopard its just propagandized leopard made up with metal sheets
If BR’s become decompressed, the M1A1HC would presumably start getting more favourable matchmaking, that means there’s even less need for M829A2 than before.
The 120mm M1’s currently already have among the best firepower of any MBT in the entire game, yet this still isn’t enough?
So you have an issue with the M60 120S’s mobility? Yet at the same time you believe the T-90A is excellent and should move to 11.0?
The current in-game M1’s all have correctly implemented composite armour that matches publicly available source material.
If you believe the M1A1 HC is missing armour, you should provide evidence for that claim.
He’s got the M1A1 AIM, Type 10, Leopard 2A7V and T-80UK. That’s experience with four different nations’ high tier MBT’s.
In contrast, you exclusively play USA at high tiers, with the TURMS-T being the sole exception.
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That will depend on the round it gets, if it is just dm33 then it could be 10.7, but with dm53 there is no reason for it to be any lower than 11.3
What?
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Are you legitimately comparing the mobility of an Overweight M60A1 to a T90A? The T90As mobility is fine people just complain to much. I have absolutely no problem playing that thing at higher BRs (since it has similar armor and the same shell to other top tier Russian MBTs). 3BM60 with extremely similar armor to the T72B3 and gen 3 thermals at 10.7 is a crime. Its mobility is no where near as bad as people make it out to be.
The T-90A has:
- Abysmal acceleration.
- Worst turret traverse of any MBT in this BR range.
- Worst gun depression of any MBT in this BR range.
- Shared worst gun elevation speed of any MBT in the BR range.
- Volatile ammo everywhere.
- Obvious weakspots.
- Terrible reload rate.
- No neutral steering.
- Worst reverse speed of any MBT in this BR range.
- Abysmal reverse turning.
- Only 3 crew.
The reason it’s 10.7 is because it doesn’t fit the META whatsoever, and it’s just a bad overall vehicle.
The only positives are good quality thermals and a shell with decent penetration, but 3BM-60 in practice doesn’t offer a major improvement over 3BM-42 which is already sufficient, and the thermals are niche advantage.
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Gen 2.
The ammo has the same problems as any other Russian MBT in game so its ammo is not “extremely volatile” as you are putting it. The T90A has better armor than anything else at that BR and better armor then some tanks at higher BRs (also more pen). T90A can penetrate 2A4, M1 Abrams, Chally MK 2/3 anywhere while they have to aim for specific weak points (which are no where near being a kill every time). Yes it has worse mobility and turret performance then other things that by no means makes it unusable as some people like to make it seem. People who think the T90A is bad genuinely just have a skill issue.
Do you even use these two shells? 3BM60 is a massive improvement over 3BM42.
Correct, they’re all suffering from very poor survivability as a result.
But just because the T-90A isn’t any different in this regard to a T-64B, T-72B3, or any other Russian MBT doesn’t mean it still isn’t an issue.
Which is irrelevant because around 74% of the shots are against side armour anyways, not to mention the obvious weakspots it has frontally.
The fact that you can’t even retreat after getting breech’d is yet another issue.
For context, I’m on a 6.0 K/D ratio and a 70% winrate in my M1’s.
You barely have positive K/D and only barely manage to clear a 50% winrate in the T-90A.
And that’s not meant as an insult or anything negative overall, it’s just a simple pattern I’ve come across dozens of times now: The people praising the T-90A fall into 2 categories:
- A) They don’t own it and complain when they get killed by one. (stereotypical Russian Bias complaints)
- B) They own it, but aren’t particularly good players, don’t have particularly good stats in the T-90A and don’t have a good grasp on what makes a vehicle fit the META.
Another stereotypical thing beginners do, is overvalue armour and flat penetration values, something which fits the T-90A.
Yes, I do.
That’s precisely why I’m saying I’ve never struggled with 3BM-42. 3BM-60 is overkill and completely unnecessary.
I don’t take it as in insult at all I know my stats aren’t the greatest in the T90A but it’s also not the vehicle I typically play. I’ve never had a problem with the T90A and am still firmly in the boat that it is too good to be 10.7. I will play it more later when I get on to see if anything has changed and screenshot my stats after I play and send them to you. If they are abysmal then I’ll consider thinking it’s fine at 10.7.
So because you get outflanked that automatically makes the tank bad? Thats what I’m hearing you say right now. The T90A like I’ve stated previously has a better round, better armor, better optics, and decent (not best by any means) mobility. But oh no it reverse gear is bad and its turret traverse is slow ahhhhhhhh.
For the 9.7-11.0 bracket 3BM42 is fine yes but once you start fighting the 122s and 2A7Vs it struggles a little. (You can still easily perform well with it but 3BM60 just makes it a lot easier)
We are talking about Russian ammo and ammo charges not blowing up here right?
You haven’t provided me with a single solid argument for why it’s too potent at 10.7 though.
If the T-90A got a BR change, I’d rather see it move down to 10.3 than up to 11.0. Putting the T-90A at an equal BR to the M1A1 would be truly asinine.
You got that backwards, I’m the one out-flanking these vehicles.
I encounter quite a few people who hold your opinion (and they all fall into the 2 categories I described earlier), hence why I have the habit of backing up my claims with statistics.
I took the time to record and compile each and every shot I took against a Soviet/Russian MBT, based on that I one-shot-kill them roughly 74% of the time, and the vast majority being shots through their sides, thus nullifying their frontal armour that so many people overvalue.
- 3BM-42 is sufficient, 3BM-60 doesn’t allow the T-90A to do much more than a T-80B.
- Better optics can be found at 9.3 in other nations, that’s obviously not a valid reason to claim the T-90A is a good vehicle.
- Armour is easily dealt with via typical weakspots, breech, side armour or LFP. In practice it doesn’t do much as can also be seen by your own statistics, which indicate you die in 90% of all battles you play in the T-90A.
- Mobility is horrendous on every aspect, I’ve already shown you a detailed chart which shows that to be factual, I’ll show it again in case you missed it.
That 100 percent is a valid reason when the tanks you were using to compare to the T90A have significantly worse optics.
Yes it does it allows you to penetrate armor at farther ranges that 3BM42 will sometimes struggle to do like the turret cheeks on the chalky mk2/3 at longer ranges.
So not because you get outflanked but because the people playing the T90A consistently get outflanked.
Again you are making it seem unusable when that is far from truth.
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That video was hilarious. It was like a death to all T72 Turms video with some T80 and T90 sprinkled in as an appetizer
I said there are BETTER optics available at 9.3, let alone 10.7.
3rd Gen thermals are found at 9.3, so 2nd Gen thermals at 10.7 certainly don’t indicate it’s undertiered.
Long range fights against a perfectly hull-down Challenger doesn’t happen in practice, you’re inventing situations in which the T-90A has something positive about it, but those situations aren’t what your average match looks like at all.
I wonder if those people get out-flanked because they’re fighting vehicles with massively superior mobility. /s
If you want to believe in some alternate reality where the T-90A has decent mobility, I can’t prevent you from doing so.
But given the fact that you haven’t presented any evidence that contradicts the chart I provided you with, I suspect you are well aware that the T-90A is among the absolute slowest MBTs at high tier.
As I’ve said: your own stats in the T-90A completely go against anything you’ve been telling me.
But we’re going round in circles here, I’ll leave it here.
Which is why I said I’m gonna play the T90A later. I haven’t played it in quite a while so I’m gonna try and get 10 games in and then send the stats from those 10 games to you.
