Yeah, but it has a bad platform, awful gun handling, a 10 second reload, no MG, no smoke grenades, and poor survivability.
They are equivalent changes because nearly all 10.0+ tanks were moved up by 0.3. The only difference for the Abrams is that it no longer faces 9.3 tanks.
It has the same survivability (coded buffs) as any other T Series tank. And 10 second reload doesn’t justify a low BR, if that was the case then the Tiger 2 105 should be dropped to 6.0, by your logic, because ‘long reload’
No the only nations that were actually moved up a BR bracket were NATO nations, the difference is they now face 11.3-7 tanks and doesn’t see ‘10.3 only matches’ like it used to when it was actually balanced with the rare chance of a 9.7 down tier, while Russia still gets to face 9.7 matches because a +0.3 BR increase doesn’t compress it upward, like a 0.7 does
0.7 BRs compress up
0.3 BRs compress down
Strawman argument, try again.
Almost every single tank above 9.7 was moved up by 0.3. 10.3 (now 10.7) tanks don’t face any new enemies.
Technically did already.
10.3 to 10.7 br bump changes nothing too… The entire TTGRB ceiling was raised to 12.0, so the only difference is that it no longer faces 9.3s that are effectively helpless against it.
It already faced 11.3s, now at worst it’s facing the T-72B3… Which it faced before.
It never faced T-72B3s before if at all very very rarely, and rarely faced T80s and T90As. Now that’s all well be fighting. Which isnt remotely fair with M774 as it had a hard time at 10.3 as it is. Leo 2AV 105mm is still 10.0 and it has a better APFSDS.
War Thunder isnt beating Bias allegations after this last BR change. If they didn’t hate USA back then, they sure do show it now.
The T-72B3 was 11.3. The M1 Abrams was 10.3.
The T-72B3 is now 11.7. The M1 Abrams is now 10.7.
The T-90A was 10.7. The M1 Abrams was 10.3.
The T-90A is now 11.0. The M1 Abrams is now 10.7.
The T-80B was 10.0. The M1 Abrams was 10.3.
The T-80B is now 10.7. The M1 Abrams is now 10.7.
The T-80U was 11.0. The M1 Abrams was 10.3.
The T-80U is now 11.7. The M1 Abrams is now 10.7.
It doesn’t take half a brain cell to remember this, let alone check it. It makes me wonder what makes it so hard for you to do.
The Leopard 2AV was moved up to 10.0, and has DM33 (the earliest this round can be found is 9.0).
Only slightly better, and that’s because DM33 itself has a far thicker subpenetrator (7mm thicker than M774)
What?
Gaijin doesn’t hate the USA, just look at their air tree.
Just like the other topic. M833 won’t change what M1 Abrams+ M774 can do or can’t do.
With M774 bug report being accept (flat pen would get below 350mm and angle pen lower) M833 will be a good replacement for M774 and make sure that M1 Abrams don’t have to come down in BR .
In the mean time even M735 fix would be appreciate for a lot of 105mm vehicles that still use this round.
F14 and f15e are pretty much the only broken aircraft, and f15 is also nerfed (same for f16c and f15e). Therre was never a universe in which USA wouldnt dominate toptier air after amraams got added. Thats how it has been since the 70s.
Just because they are good IRL, doesn’t mean they should dominate WT.
They arent “good” they’ve been unmatched for 50 years. This was to be expected.
Kind of like kh-38 launching 20 miles out with no counter?
Well the 105 still have the same optics and armor, while having a better mobility, a larger crew and the rangefinder, so it does have more advantages over the regular tiger 2 aside from the penetration
How many of these similar threads are there? This conversation is getting old. Yes the M833 will be buff and no it doesn’t warrant a BR change because it’s very slight buff. You’ll still have to aim for weak spots just like the M774. All the M833 will do is make penning and spalling more consistent.
However, the M1 doesn’t struggle, because it’s winrate is similar to other MBTs at it’s BR so it doesn’t need the M833 round. But stop acting as if the M833 is a game changing round and will change the meta of the game. Again, its a very slight buff, nothing more, nothing less.
If M833 isn’t a game changing round then why are you opposing the addition of M833?
I’m indifferent about it. I’m neither for or against it. If it gets it, cool. If it doesn’t get it, that’s also fine by me. The Abrams is fine.
The entire point of my argument is for the people who say that the Abrams is in desperate need of the M833, they are wrong. For the people who say that the m833 will warrant a br increase, they are also wrong.
Its just a very slight buff. And will most likely be added if winrates start decreasing
It does annoy me how much Gaijin talk about historical realism and historical accuracy but vehicles don’t even get their service rounds. BR is the balancing mechanism, just give the vehicles the rounds they used and change their BR’s if needed.
Decompression is also needed. It still amazes me that air goes up to 13.3 but ground only goes up to 12. We see people talking about the Pantsir being OP, well if they actually made 13.3 the ground top tier and moved that up it would be less of an issue.
You cant PLAY AIR in GROUND RB if you cant even get a fkn kill dude tf are you smoking
Aircraft dominate “ground” RB. They can’t be killed by SPAA unless the pilot doesn’t know how to dodge stuff.