Ok but what does this solve
Well one it adds another DDR used machine, two it adds a high calibre SPAAG system, three replaces a strangely place machine with a proper place machine.
That’s three good points that make sense, besides the additions of equipment to any tree is up to the devs not players whinging about certain clones yet at the same time embracing others for each tree.
Which isn’t a good thing, because its just copyslop that further dilutes the tree into being homogenous with every other tree
which is not what germany needs, germany already has 2 “spaa” at that BR that aren’t actually SPAA being the Luchs and wiesel. Both don’t perform well as SPAA. ZSU-37-2 would be yet another non-spaa being put into the SPAA line.
It doesn’t “replace” it at all as the ZSU is not a SPAA in actual practical use and can’t perform the same role. They play entirely different.
Not the same people, obviously. Today you learned that the human race isn’t a hivemind.
Sometimes the slops are decent, as just this recent update we got quite a few additions that would land in this category for all nations from tanks, jets, props, helis, ships even.
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which is not what germany needs, germany already has 2 “spaa” at that BR that aren’t actually SPAA being the Luchs and wiesel. Both don’t perform well as SPAA. ZSU-37-2 would be yet another non-spaa being put into the SPAA line.
The ZSU-57-2 while it can preform AT duties historically & in game, the machine itself is more of a SPAAG not only by historically designation but the fact the others are an armoured car & tankette pressed into service as SPAAG’s in game (well only the tankette since the car is a light tank).
As I already said, by historical designation it’s a SPAAG, yet due to the fishbowl that’s this game it serves more as an AdHoc TD than SPAAG, it still replaced a machine rated a light tank in the SPAAG progression line, thus it replaces a machine.
Well no shit, we’re two different players, I’m a person that wants equipment that nations historically/currently used/use even if it means clones, meanwhile you’re a person that from observations of your replies wishes trees to remain pure of any Imported equipment, (sidenote does that count just soviet/ Eastern or also other European/American/Western equipment?).
E, I just realised the implications of saying pure & referring to the German TT, furthermore it meant for all trees.
Thats unfortunate for those that dont have it. But in SPAA role even the Kugelblitz is superior to the ZSU-57. ZSU is better anti tank platform.
Then why we have 6364856 shermans and hellcats and chaffees and M48s.
like what
ZSU-57 does not perform as a SPAA in WT, full stop. It can’t be used as once to any practical effect. It falls under the same category the Luchs and Wiesel do.
There is no point to be made here
No, I am fine with REASONABLE copypaste, but the % of copyslop that falls under REASONABLE is less than 10% in the modern WT game.
I’d say the ZSU-57-2 is one of the worst AAs in the game for their BR, so if you want something that can shoot down planes at 7.0, it’s not what you’re looking for.
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lmao.
Imagine the OP Flakpanzer 341 and ZSU-57-2 at 7.0.
That’s an understatement. WZ305 is a god-tier SPAA, but the non-HE-VT is hopeless at SPAA.
It’s not even a debate. I eat ZSU-57-2 in Coelian. I survive things they never can, the 37mm APHE deletes the ZSU from basically any part of the vehicle. Better gun handling, crazy rate of fire. It’s just not even fair for the ZSU. In fact, I feel like slapping myself if a ZSU ever manages taking me out in the Coelian.
It’s not even a better tank killer. The extra pen is no match for the amount of shells you can put on a target. Because really, it’s all about getting enough of those nuclear APHE shells inside to nuke the crew. 150mm pen is nice, but in the current system, all you need to do is spam someone cupola or drivers hatch or some other weak spot and your 37mm shell takes out the whole vehicle. For example:
Also, a big part of what makes the Flakpanzer good is what it is able to survive and keep on going. Bacially. if the ZSU-57-2 is added to Germany, it will be used by those who missed out on the Flakpanzer. It will not be something you’d ever use over it.
PS: Passed a milestone in Flakpanzer last night
Spoiler
5k kills
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Its not worse that an Ostwind type SPAA. The other side is: Its a great tank hunter. An excellent vehicle to masskill ground units. Especially around this BR bracket are alot light postwar tanks and vehicles. You can do crazy things with these.
Germany operated dozens. The question why its not ingame is valid…expecially since Germany has a huge SPAA Gap…there’s just the Wiesel light airborne tank and the Puma scout tank…which are no real SPAAs. They’re even worse than ZSU vs. air. So its really needed.
German ZSU SPAA @ military museum.
German ZSU company, parade in Berlin. Looks like its the historic Royal Palace in the background. Commies demolished it few years later :(
It is.
Ostwind II at 5.3 is a much better AA than ZSU-57-2.
This is a really bad take lol.
I’d take even Ostwind I over the Wirbel, too. That sustained fire is just nice.
Its not understatement. ZSU-57-2 is worse SPAA than Coelian. Meanwhile WZ305 is superior to both cause HE-VT. But i never mentioned WZ in that part you quote from.
Understatement as in it’s not just a worse SPAA, it is probably THE worst for SPAA, apart from some of the very low BR ones. Flakpanzer is leagues, worlds better at it. And its 37mm has no issue taking anything out…
I know it doesnt. All you need is to spam it and then gaijins wonderful code let it thru front of IS-4 that it overpressures. I have Coelian aswell,all the removed german tanks.
Yes, you’ve played a grand total of 29 games in it since the APHE buff. My point still stands, not just what you’re going on about.
Yes i indeed did. I never said its bad vehicle tho. For anti tank despite what 37mm APHE does,i still prefer ZSU-57-2
Then you misunderstand what makes the 341 great at anti-tank. It’s ability to fight off multiple targets at once (due to its great turret traverse) and to survive more hits than it should. You sneeze in the ZSU-57-2s direction and it blows up. Anyway, this topic is about adding ZSU-57-2 to Germany, I say yes to that.
Edit: This is just one part of a battle from last night (which I got a nuke). I can count at least 5 or more times during that sequence that the ZSU-57-72 would have died. Meanwhile, the 341 is just nuking people with one barrel disabled and taking shots from multiple directions (including a HEAT-FS from the Ratel):
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Keep in mind that the majority of players wont own the Flakpanzer deleted tank. They indeed just have the Wiesel and Puma 20mm scout tank. Both are terrible vs. air and ZSU as TT vehicle would fix this partially.