Is that what this copium/mental gymnastics is about?
Just to recap:
A MoD research and testing department privatises, but still remains majority owned by the MoD/government.
This public-private company inherits things from DERA, such as the ETPS, which dates back to 1943.
This company then also secures a deal with Sweden, to lease and do fighter training swaps with their airforce. A decision which would have been made by their board members. Who happen to majority be the MoD.
So ultimately, the MoD decided to have a deal with the Swedes, where a test pilot school they still own in one of the subsidiary companies is able to lease the Gripen for its pilot training.
You can whine about the Gripen not being in active service as much as you like, we have the SA one. I was just disputing your inaccurate claim that the ETPS is not affiliated with the RAF/MoD. The MoD still owns it…
Suppose we should delete 90% of the games content because it’s not in active service then, hey.
Mi-28 and T-80U were used and tested by Sweden.
The South Africans actively are using Gripen.
England however, never used Gripen - There’s no reason for people to be asking for the ETPS Gripen because it’s a trainer jet that doesn’t belong to the COMPANY. Of which, will never be in game because you can’t just go plastering real company names in your property
They’re as affiliated with the MOD as Blackwater is with the US DOD. It’s a private company.
They straight up don’t.
It has civilian, non service employees. They’re a private entity with an agreement with the MOD to perform a service. The MOD oversees what this company does, but that does not automatically make them RAF. They’re completely seperate.
It’s not exactly the same as being a flying advertisement, is it? Shall we drop the name for literally everything in game that isn’t a nickname for the jets then?
The J35XS is the name for the Finnish jet. This isn’t as deep as you think it is.
Terrible comparison. I don’t understand why you still can’t understand it.
The US DoD has no shares or ownership in Blackwater. I’ve already explained to you multiple times that the MoD is still the majority shareholder in QinetiQ. That means they have the deciding say in board decisions. Do you honestly need that level of detail explained?
Except I’ve also shown you from their website that they employee some royal navy servicemen and instructors too. Good job.
I mean 99% of people won’t know what ETPS is, but they will recognise the name Saab lol. Another weak argument.
This is crazy cope. You realise no one cares right? We have the South African one in game now. Cry about that instead.
We have the South African Gripen. They used it officially as a part of their military.
It’s a commonwealth nation. It makes sense being in the tree as the UK doesn’t have any other 4th gens that would compete.
The entire point i’m making here though is you straight up cannot use the ETPS Gripen, as it’s a private contractor. It’s also a trainer jet that’s unarmed.
And not owned by the UK. It’s still got it’s swedish crowns on it ffs.
That’s a much stronger argument. But I haven’t once said anything about including their Gripen. All I’ve being saying is that you’re patently false about the UK MoD not owning QinetiQ and the ETPS. If you’d bothered to look up the history you would have seen that there were even special measures put in place, so that even if the MoD didn’t have the majority share, they would still have control to prevent security risks. You comparing it to ex-military thugs who do PMC work for the united states is embarrassing.
You literally came out of nowhere to argue about the shareholders of a private company.
If you don’t disagree that it shouldn’t be in the game and wont be in the game, why did you come here and argue? lol
I’m not looking for a history lesson on ETPS. The facts are simple. Majority shareholders or not, it’s a private company. It offers commercial services as a military contractor. One of it’s customers are the RAF. That’s a weak reason to go giving this the same level of approval as the Swedish Military testing aircraft and tanks themselves in an official capacity.
ETPS is owned by QinetiQ. It’s a company. Smin has said no to companies.
That’s it. My whole reason for bringing it up is people suggesting we get that instead of Gripen C from SA. It’s an unarmed, rental trainer jet. It won’t come.
I originally wrote about it because people had missed what Smin said and the reasoning why.
Then this guy comes out of nowhere to agree with me in the most standoffish way possible for no reason but to…I guess give me the running history of the school and it’s shareholders.
Didn’t come here to argue, but you continue to insist there is no ownership/history of the MoD with the ETPS and QinetiQ. I don’t know why to be honest. I don’t agree with privatisation either, this is one of the few cases where the government was sensible enough to keep majority ownership. I was just giving a correction…
With all due respect, Smin says whatever he is told. GJN have never been renowned for their consistency in any sort of decisions or rationalisation. If a Russian PMC came up with an improvement to the BVM which doubled its reverse speed, I’m sure they would be whistling a very different tune.
I don’t think anyone was suggesting that, just that the UK has connections to the jet.
