Is he wrong, 120s are hilariously easy to notch and defeat by multipathing.
They become poorer the lower altitudes and cannot pull the same G or start tracking off the rail
R-77-1 and MICA EM are superior in todays meta.
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THEY ARE ADDED AT THE SAME TIME.
Well, they are both just as easy to dodge, if using the method given. They literally have the same seeker.
Marginally, and discounted by the fact that at longer ranges, AMRAAM carriers have way superior kinetics.
Still better than any other missile other than R-77-1.
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lol early game BVR determines battles and the 120’s are still king there, the MICA fucking sucks at BVR and misses if launched above 15km, never used the r77-1 but this take that aim120’s are suddenly trash and useless is delulu tier
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Did I say 120s were bad? I said they were no longer Meta.
Yes they are better at BVR
Players have learned to defeat them, you can no longer sling 120s from miles away and get kills.
Realistic ranges for ideal 120s shots are 20km
At that range the R-77-1 and MICA are as dangerous.
If you get closer to 10km and below the MICA/R-77-1 become truly scary weapons.
What are you trying to say ultimately here?
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That R-77-1/MICA are superior missiles in game with the current meta.
Which has shifted from BVR to flying medium altitude and closer ranges
F15Es or EFs never have to enter 20km if they are smart. They can climb high and stay high. Their kinetics determines that no missile can defeat them. Even if AMRAAMs are able to be dodged, 1. some won’t, 2. they force everyone to notch. This kinda comes down to carrier, but still.
F-15 has 8 120s, Typhoon has 6. We wont include the F/A-18C as kinematically it’s dead at high altitude.
Su-30M has 12 R-77-1 and a superior Radar
All games devolve to close range, this isnt the real world where pilots would disengage or try to live.
uuuuh idk dude in all my games in the rafale, most engagements happened at long ranges because people refuse to get close and want their missiles to carry their lack of skill.
It still massively effects early game which is when games are usually decided
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Which is just as dead kinetically compared to F15E and EF. R-77-1 does not make up for the worse kinetics, not even close.
Well, F15E with 8km alt can be considered close, but basically untouchable.
They can drop and run. And they do.
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being able to pressure high flyers early game is still propably the most important thing if you want to win, otherwise they fly over your team and start slinging on the deck from angles that cant be multipathed or seen.
not every missile has to hit to make a difference.
you still have to defend against long shots.
r-77-1 is BARELY better than aim-120. As a matter of fact, aim-120 was better than r-77 earlier, we can say that was unfair too
if aim-120c5 comes, we need unnerfed r77 and r77-1, mica er, pl-12, aam 4. All of these missiles were just artificially nerfed
Yes and no,
A High fast F-15E struggles to defend as they are very much boats.
The faster you are the more dangerous your missiles are and the more dangerous their missiles are.
I really do not see an F-15 as a threat
Su-30 with its incredible Radar and missile payload is a threat.
Even in a Typhoon
MICA nerfed is a gameplay decision and to undo it and allow the Rafale 8 MICAs breaks the game
R-77 isnt nerfed its just Gaijins missile modeling, they cant model drag at different stages
R-77 should be slower draggier transonic but when its fast and high should be similar to an 120.
120C doesnt add a whole lot, it tracks off the rail and can pull more G but not to the TVC levels of MICA
“I really do not see an F-15 as a threat
Su-30 with its incredible Radar and missile payload is a threat.”
perhaps because F15 players are morons, but played well its a much more dangerous threat than the su30, which is even more of a boat lmfao?
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The meta has shifted to med altitude and flying on the deck again because the R-77-1 was added. People just decided to play like a rat again instead of learning to defend.
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On god if people seriously think the brick of a missile that is the AIM-54 was ever a threat you seriously need to get better at the game.
Do people forget that it first arrived with a 16 G overload?
This thing had and still has the maneuverability of an obese AIM-9G with clipped wings.
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Having control of altitude is a pretty big advantage, just because you know how to defeat them doesn’t mean these missles are wasted since every launch puts you in a worse and worse posistion while defending while they either chase you or sit up at 10km without a worry.
If you both had aim 54 you could at least prevent them from just running you down into the mud like a dog by launching your fox3 own back.