We shouldn’t get any more better missiles until gaijin can design air RB better. And if they do come, they should be on a lower performance platform.
Right now, top tier is actually pretty balanced and has a lot of parity between all the nations. The only nations that are lacking is China (which could be solved by the J-10B or another flanker variant), Sweden which could get a BOL buff and/or a Gripen E(if that’s possible at this point), and Japan, which can get the F-2.
You do realize you still have AIM9Ms if you absolutely insist on having a knife fight? If you insist on carrying only 1 type of missile it’s nobody elses fault when you get caught in a situation it cant deal with
I haven’t had to many problems with Su-30s in my F-15J(M), its still the orbital F-15Es that cause the issues, but that might be because I’m not dumb enough to just fly straight so the R77-1s dump their energy is short order.
I would agree.
120C-1-4 wouldn’t really be a better missile, just more comparable to every other missile in closer ranges. And unlike every other missile addition would actually benefit every tech tree, except a “‘certain one’” which is why we won’t see it.
China is not lacking in the slightest. J-11B is easily the best Flanker after the Su-30SM, and in some regards better depending on play styles.
Gripen C with RB-99s is still plenty competitive and they also have the F-18C which is as well. HMD is no where near as much of a downside as people make it. I can make F-4F ICE work against 14.0s with worse flight performance, same radar, less missiles, and no HMD.
Which already has the best F-15C, which is still competitive.
AIM-120C-3 & AIM-120C-4 launch range & lock range same AIM-120A/AIM-120B and R-77/RVV-AE but better maneuvering
AIM-120C-5, AIM-120C-6, AIM-120C-7 and AIM-120C-8 (AIM-120D export) launch range & lock range higher AIM-120C early variants (AIM-120C-3 & AIM-120C-4)
Right
MICA EM great maneuvering BVR Air-to-Air Missile
An AIM-120 is not going to hit in that scenario anyway then. You’re not helping your point.
But an R-77-1 maintains being only beaten by the MICA in close range engagements, while being just as effective(and frankly better under all but the most extremes) as an AIM-120 in long range engagements.
But do tell me about your experience with a missile (R-77-1) you don’t have access to yet…
Easily my favorite missile in the game for sure.
Thats an idiotic argument, I don’t need to drive a L2A6 to learn its weak points. AIM-120s hold speed significantly better when they maneuver compared to R-77-1, I can learn that by dodging them.
You can cry all you want to to justify discounting my opinion, it doesn’t change the facts
Like the fact that at the range at which you will defeat an R-77-1, an AIM-120 shouldn’t hit you anyway? Or the fact that within actual effective range the R-77-1 is flat out better than anything that isn’t the MICA?
Or do you want me to keep going?
nope, you have clearly decided to stay ignorantly and claim bias, so I wont waste my time.
LMAO. K bud, actually knowing what I’m talking about is now bias.
only bias here is you lmao, no dude an r77-1 launched at from an su30 doesn’t have the same range as an aim120 launched from an f15 claiming so is utterly bizarre the difference in thrust/drag just isn’t that much different. and your second point is equally bizarre and biased, there are no new players at 14.0 who ignore their rwr lil bro and I don’t understand do you want the aim120 to be the same missile? are you just going to pretend the aim120 doesn’t hold energy better while having more effective range lmao. also go ahead and tell me I don’t have experience with them lol, lmao even.
No.
I’m saying launching either missile outside of roughly their own seeker range (~10-15km) is only going to hit an idiot.
That is effective range, 10-15km.
And launching within that effective range, not only does the R-77-1 have better time to target, it also has a dramatically better firing envelope, which is actually what matters for an ARH missile.
So sure, at the absolute peak of ranged edge cases, the AIM-120 is better at killing idiots, are you happy? I’ll still prefer the one that is actually useful against non-dogshit pilots.
Edit: LMAO they hate the truth
nice derogatory getting pressed are we? no need to be so emotionally invested in the video game my man, and it has a lower effective range because the missile has less energy, literally only when the missile flies in a perfectly straight line does it have more range and that will literally never happen so I don’t know why you’re reiterating it.
No I’m just tired of explaining this for the upteenth time to people full of cope that they only have the best missile in the game*
*Personally I think the MICA is, but people are full of cope about the range of the AIM-120 and frankly the R-77-1 is just the AIM-120+.
I think most people’s point when it comes to the R77-1 and the AIM120 is that the AIM120 has a greater ability to continue pursuing its target and even hit it (since it can keep more energy while maneuvering), while the R77-1 does not have the same ability because it loses energy super fast.
In my opinion and experience, air RB shots are usually on average 20 to 25km away (at the beginning of the match), if you combine this distance with the platforms that are firing this missile, i believe that the AIM120 is superior in this situation, it is only at less than 7km that you really feel the difference and the R77-1 is 100% superior. On the other hand, the MICA is just super annoying to deal with cause TVC+rafale flight performance+amazing radar, apart from the fact that it is the only Fox 3 that has a seeker different from the others with a smaller notch window, which makes it very annoying to notch and avoid it
Which are only going to hit bad players anyway. It’s irrelevant whether the missile can kinematically “follow” a cold target when it will still be too slow to hit it anyway or moreover will not hit someone that notches correctly and maneuvers out of the missile LoS anyway. And even if you say the AIM-120 has an advantage in the first case scenario, the R-77-1 has an advantage in the second aspect even at extreme range it has better time to target which is far more important to hit a target before they get into the notch.
No. The R-77-1 has better time to target well outside of 7km.
yeah but that was my point tho…
i mean, anyone can notch missiles very easily when they are at 10km or 12km (especially cause you can see the red dot of the missile coming too), thats why i put something like 7km, it is getting harder to notch at that distance and missiles capable of HOBs gets an advantage in that area too
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It’s irrelevant whether the missile can kinematically “follow” a cold target when it will still be too slow to hit it anyway or moreover will not hit someone that notches correctly and maneuvers out of the missile LoS anyway. And even if you say the AIM-120 has an advantage in the first case scenario, the R-77-1 has an advantage in the second aspect even at extreme range it has better time to target which is far more important to hit a target before they get into the notch.
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Case 1 being turn cold, case 2 being notch and maneuver.
Which I agree with, its also why the R-77-1s only real competition is the MICA. The closer you get before firing the better odds your missile has, while still having the maneuverability to hit, which is it’s firing envelope. R-77s and MICAs have by far the best, while AIM-120 has the worst, even moreso than the Derby’s or Darters. R-77-1 basically equals it’s range, while having none of its downsides in firing envelope.
mica is by far the best at 7km or less (i would even say that at 10km this thing is scary asf), is really painfull to deal with imo
but again, it is just a different playstyle, aim120 is for medium/long ranges, r77-1 is for short/medium ranges and mica is for very close to medium ranges, it wont get better for the aim120, i think the max that the later versions can pull is what? 40gs? maybe add some aim120c variant when they add stuff like su35, some similar chinese flanker, gripen E and also something for japan.
If anything, Top Tier air is biased towards NATO countries. The Su30SM FM is worse than the Su27SM, meanwhile, they finally get Amraam equivalents, which makes thinks more balanced.