Why does the rah66 not have countermeasures?

its extremely easy to see online that it was equipped with them irl. this is silly. even needing to submit the proof to get them added is exhaustingly unnecessary considering how well known this fact is.

EDIT:

See /tardir/mig/a293471.tiff

Page 68

Aircraft Survivability Equipment (some optional):
Low Observable Materials
AN/APR-39 A(V)1 Radar Warning Receiver
AN/APX-100(V)1 Identification Friend or Foe Transponder
AN/VDR-2 Laser Warning Receiver
**AN/ALQ-136 (V5)Radar Jammer **
AN/ALQ-144 (V3) Infrared Jammer
M-130 Chaff Dispenser
Infrared Suppression System
Radio Frequency Interferometer
MANPRINT Cockpit

Chaff/flare countermeasures AND radar and infrared jamming(IRCM)

This is the MOST official source /tardir/tiffs/A354159.tiff

In this one they are also confirmed to be present but the details are lesser.

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This literally applies to so many vehicles just do the bug report

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I found an OVER 6 month old post in bug reports talking about it and it was submitted as a suggestion with 80 others reporting the same issue. How has this not been addressed gaijin…?

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same reason the american F-5 has them. Because gaijin decidd it will be so

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Something being sent a suggestion often means that there aren’t solid enough sources for it to be a straight up historical issue and then it’s up to the developers if they want to implement it or not.
Sometimes vehicles get upgrades later as well and then it often also up to the developers what upgrades they want to include or not.

its so easy to find the proof… https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA354159.pdf

SIRFC provides more capability than existing RF
countermeasures systems on the MH-47 and MH-60
aircraft, which include two legacy radar warning receivers
(APR-39 and APR-44) and two legacy RF countermeasures
systems (ALQ-136 and ALQ-162).

The system will be capable of operating in either an automatic or manual (command) mode. It provides warning (situational awareness), active jamming (self protection), and when necessary expendable countermeasures to defeat threat radar guided weapon systems. Radar guided air defense artillery threat systems include surface to air missiles (SAMs) and anti-aircraft artillery (AAA). A Southwest Asia theater of operations set in 2006 is the basis for threat selection for the engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) program. Future integration of SIRFC with the Suite of Integrated InfraRed CounterMeasures (SIIRCM), in some aircraft which may be equipped with both systems, is a program objective to optimize multi-spectral threat countermeasures. Threat systems are not only those originating from within the Former Soviet Union, but also systems made and proliferated by the United States, US allies, and other weapons producers. ( AN/ALQ-211 Suite of Integrated RF Countermeasures (SIRFC))

First source only mentions this:
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But nothing about what kind of countermeasures, and if it is flares/chaff they mean there is no mention of how many.

Second link is a third party website and can’t be used as a source (and doesn’t even mention the RAH-66)

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@Necronomica it’s been accepted and already been submitted as a suggestion

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/RKmchSzaXsK0

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It is IRCM

Yeah for 6 months, how long for a simple change D:

I doesn’t say that in the source though.

All reports that are created has to have DIRECT proof of both the vehicle that the reported function is on and the reported function itself.

The report linked above is sent as a suggestion as it doesn’t contain direct proof from what i can see. The countermeasures listed is under a list that mentions “(some optional)” in the title of the list.

Suggestions are then developers choice if they want to implement or not.

https://man.fas.org/dod-101/sys/ac/docs/ord-rah-66.htm

This is a legitimate source. It links elsewhere and lists names of equipped IRCM, etc. This page is linked too by the second page I sent.

" man.fas.org is the domain for the Military Analysis Network, a non-profit organization that provides science-based analysis on national security, arms control, and public policy, particularly focusing on military hardware, nuclear weapons, and global security issues. It serves as an archive for detailed information on weapon systems, military doctrines, and defense policy."

Also. https://www.aviatorsdatabase.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/RAH-66-Comanche.pdf

I realize that this arent all gov documents, but some of this stuff is still classified.

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Here is the issue, none of the sources you can find online say the two built had deployable countermeasures, just that the production version would.

Well considering Yak-141 got all its capabilities that was suppose to be on production model I don’t see any issue in here

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I would be fine with it getting the countermeasures, as it would increase survivability, but the Yak-141 did not get all of its capabilities. It is supposedly able to carry the R-77 and R-73, as well as air-to-surface missiles.

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Weapons are balance decision while it did get FCS that was never installed on any airframe, IRST nor RWR.

TBH I don’t want to see Yak-141 at 13.3 just because it can carry R-77.

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The number of countermeasures can also be a balancing decision, no different than weapons.

Ive yet to touch it cuz im lazy, but from what ive seen it should defo not get them just because it would be not exactly the greatest, with flankers around anyway. They have much more missile pylons than it so youre limited.

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13.0*

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That’s the problem, it doesn’t have any countermeasures to protect itself against any Ir or Sarh missiles.

This is like saying let’s remove the countermeasures and RWR from Yak-141 since it was never installed on any airframe.

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