Lol there is a massive gap between the 2A7s/Strv 122 and every other MBT.
So yeah more and better MBTs for other nations should definitely come.
fire to barrel and breech, fire to the neck of tank, between turret and body
Brother I know how to play, seeing how I perform better in the top tier tanks that we have both played.
You can do well and still call out stupidly imbalanced tanks.
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You really do live in an alternate reality. I stopped reading when you said 2s38 =9040c…just for a starter the 2s38 can lock air targets my 9040c cant! Second my pen and spall on 2s38 is better than 9040c. Third 2s38 survivability is higher. The only drawback to 2s38 is its slow! I’m sure all that followed is typical propaganda.
What does 9.3 - 9.7 anti-air capability have to do with the 10.x anti-tank capability that dictates its BR?
Nothing.
All vehicles in War Thunder are BR’d based on their MAXIMUM potential, not their average.
Otherwise 2S38 would be 9.7 again because its anti-air capability is that of a 9.3 SPAA, while its anti-tank capability is that of a 10.3.
It is still AA capability ffs. That should have an impact on its Br since it is an advantage over other vehicles. Vehicles are balanced using all of their features, and not only ones that are good for its BR.
It absolutely has an impact on its BR, since the 2S38 can still be used as an AA at its current BR. It would be very good against close aircraft and helicopters.
So M1A2 SEP should be 0.3+ above 2A7V cause it has proxy rounds?
Or are you suggesting double standards?
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That is different. A proxy round fired from an MBT doesn’t have the same capabilities as one fired from an autocannon on an IFV that has target tracking and lots of elevation.
Its AA capabilities should still be taken into account when balancing, and not completely ignored since they are equal to vehicles at a slightly lower BR. It is still an advantage the 2S38 has, and that other tanks don’t have.
Double standard, got it.
120mm proxy rounds are rather potent and have fragged me a number of Kamovs.
I even fragged a Kamov from 5.5km away using APFSDS from my M60 AMBT once.
On top of that, 2S38’s AA abilities being taken into account would bring it down to 9.7, you don’t want them taken into account.
The 2S38 also has HEAVILY overperforming APFSDS that can penetrate the side armor of most MBT’s if they barely even show their sides.
It needs to go up, that simple.
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Congrats, all auto-lights pen the side armor of MBTs from angles.
Source for that overperforming claim?
You aren’t seeing what I am trying to say. You can absolutely do that with an MBT, but it is about 100x easier in something that is an SPAA irl. Having good AA capability has to affect its BR.
No? Vehicles are balanced based on all of their capabilities. Taking the 2S38s SPAA and TD capability into account makes it undertiered at 10.0, so it should be 10.7 atleast.
For example, imagine if there were 2 2S38 variants ingame, one with target traching/proxy, and one without. Should they be the same BR despite the other being objectively better?
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I mean TECHNICLALY the PT-76-57 exist, but is nowhere near the same as the 2S38, other than the gun
Vehicles have never been balanced based on the collective capabilities, they have only ever been based on the one ability they do best.
@Heavytanker1945
Correct, 2S38 is a higher BR due to its thermals, different armor geometry and APFSDS round.
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They should be.
What about my example with the 2 2S38s? Would they be the same BR despite one having a massive advantage over the other?
They would be the same BR as 2S38 is balanced on its most powerful capability: Anti-tank.
Neither have advantage over the other for the context of War Thunder.
But one does. One has good defence against any aircraft that get too close, while the other has a fraction of that.
It would be 4.3 SPAA capability vs 9.3 SPAA capability, and that should have an effect on their balance since one is an upgrade over the other.
no, they are not. It took gaijin years to do anything about the british SPAA and they finally gave the challengers more armor