Sure, but you’re using the missile in an optimal scenario, as you should be. The point is the “optimal scenario” is much more limited for a 9J compared to a 9L/M. Due to this, trying to place yourself into these specific launch windows leaves you more exposed, which is something you don’t want when dealing with furballs.
1 Like
the optimal scenario for the 9l is much more limited because you need distance, yet the missile is slow. You also need the enemy not to flare or be in total rear aspect. Up close aim9l’s are deadly even if the enemy flares but the seeker will probably miss the target while not pulling more than 10-15g’s since it is painfully slow.
The missile is slower to start, yes. And often times I do not waste shots in front aspect unless conditions favor it. The 9L also has a much larger cage window, allowing for adequate lead to make up for its slower initial speed.
From the sounds of it you use the 9J as an ambush missile, which is fine but also precludes you are basically on the deck the entire time looking for those launch windows. The 9L allows you to be higher and further than your opponents, increasing the chance that your enemy is unaware of you and thus increasing kill chance. You can also more often lock onto opponents from directly above then give adequate lead, something the 9J unquestionably struggles with. And from rear aspect, the 9L is still significantly better due to range, ability to close, and flare rejection.
In all, if there is a choice, the 9L will often be the better missile to choose over the 9J. Your subjective opinion may be different on the matter, but I can not conclude that it would be better to equip a missile that lacks flexibility.
Testing before and after latest patches seem to show no difference. The R-60M itself is unchanged. They may have made flares less useful, but IR missiles already had underperforming IR countermeasure resistance against afterburning targets prior to the changes to flares… but that was a few patches ago iirc.
1 Like
An important thing to remember is that there are both small and large calibers of flare, but not deployment timings, which may contribute to the difference in observed performance.
Currently flares only are Sized bigger but does have same IR signature,… ^^"
So.
2 Likes
I have beaten F-14s with the Tornado F.3 you have to use 2+ missiles to do it but it works
begleit is not the same as 2s38, it wont survive random bs like 2s38 does and cant track planes/helis
it gets a tow but you can fire it only while stopped so no reason to even use it until you run out of ammo
and the owners of large caliber flares are… ding ding ding ding! Russians!!
Not only,… Mirage 2000 also got some (since the fix of Flares).
Many aircrafts currently have some.
But Bigger or Small falres have clearly no impact on Close Range launchs.
The bigger flares only is interesting on a long range shot, as the biggest flare is then having it IR Signature seenable by seekers at longer ranges.
tornados also have large calibre ones,
Many Western planes has actually large caliber countermeasures except Usa ones.
1 Like
Because they have erroneously modeled the 1 x 1 x 8" M206 flare family, not the actual 1 x 2 x 8" MJU-7/B series that was used at the time, the tradeoff would be that the flare count would be halved if it was corrected.
Bold of you to assume that gaijin would not just reduce the total flare count and not make them large caliber flares.
As an user of the begleitpanzer and 2s38 ill tell you this: killing planes and helis is easy regardless of the autotracker. Only thing difficult is hitting drones at 6km but they’re currently a rare occurence.
The begleitpanzer is quite survivable too and the extra missile comes in useful when your main cannon is taken out or when you feel like you need some extra power. I prefer playing the begleitpanzer over the 2s38.
Pointless to pretend that much of our fightning doesn’t happen when stopped, need extra firepower? Just stop. Someone killed your transmission but you’re still alive? Fire your nice shiny missile.
bro what, the seeker of r60m’s is massive, 2km away launches and the flares are outside?
well, i would rather have half the flare count if they were large caliber than just a bunch of standart size CM’s, i’m having aim9m’s and magic 2s one-flared away by full afterburning su27s from rear aspect barely 2km or less away.
Name them
tornado, mirage 4k and 2kD, gripens, ja37…
Lead your flares mate, you drop them back and down.
If you had an aircraft like the F-4J/S, the MiG-27, or so on, it would’ve taken those flares. Instead, you gave it a high aspect view of you while you’re throwing flares away from your aircraft.