Why do german aircraft have the flight performance of a bathtub with wings

[LukavMineav]

This was really interesting to read, thank you for sharing

[Real_K_Soze]

@Caernarvon02

if im remember correctly the 190 was built almost only to be a counter to the mk5 spitfire but got shoehorned into other roles it wasn’t intended for. and with most german equipment of the war started ahead of the curve and fell behind quite quickly from technology advancements and doctrinal issues

I kindly ask you to stop spreading such things. Having limited know-how (= polite for no clue) about certain things is nothing to be ashamed of - but your post is actually wrong in all aspects.

1. The 190 was developed to have a fighter with a radial engine as the demand for the DB 600 inline engine series was too high.
2. There was no adaptation to not intended roles.
3. There was not “fell behind quickly”.
4. Spitfires Mk Vs were clapped at will until the first few Mk VIII & IX came up.
5. The sole “technical advantage” of non-German prop fighters was the access to unlimited high octane fuel produced by the US and invented by a French guy.
6. No idea what “doctrinal issues” you are referring to.

Some other things i noticed:

@Caernarvon02

I assume you mean the torpedo bomber dora. which has (or at least had) air spawns which meant it was at an instant advantage over all other aircraft used as fighters at the BR, it turns well, rolls perfectly and has quality guns. Its a premium that was in a good spot.

1. There is no Torpedo bomber Dora.
2. The Fw 190 A-5/U-14 is a German premium plane and is classified as torpedobomber - but it never had an airspawn.
3. You replied to a guy which was clearly referencing to the USSR premium D-9 which was bought because 20 mm ShVaks sucked (like irl) in the game those days - and USSR planes had always severe rip speed issues.

@Caernarvon02

as for nerfs the only ones I know of are BR balances, to make the game fairer for all. sorry you cant switch off and top frag in wunderwaffe

Not knowing about open or hidden nerfs does not mean that they don’t exist. In case you want to get actual knowledge - use the search function in the old and new forum.

Fiddling with BRs because masses of untalented or inexperienced players drag their BRs low is a phenomenon which applies to all nations - except Germany. It boils down that the BRs of 109s / 190s are stable (downtier of D-9-13 from 5.3 to 5.0 and a 0.3/0.4 reduction of a some Antons) whilst their flight models and armament got nerfed. But at the same time mainly US / USSR planes went down and saw huge buffs like the ShVak buff with ballistics and Real Shatter 3.0.

To make this clear: I am not a German fan boy and never liked 109s due to their low rip speed and engine (overheating) nerfs - the G-10 was years ago the only 109 which could climb ~ 5 minutes with WEP without cooking their engines.

@Caernarvon02

where the 190 beats out a spit you can simply deny that with the better energy use and agility.

At least the 190 A-2 - A-4 aircraft were actually (irl) more agile that Spits Mk Vs. Their sole advantage vs 190s was a tighter turning circle.

A Spitfire has at least up to 4.7 (Air RB) always a worse energy retention at higher alt and is slow as f - that’s the reason why Spits and A6Ms have to be flown with rat tactics.

So there is no “denial” by the Spit - they have to wait for opportunities or outclimb their enemies as otherwise everyone is able to extend.

@Sunfighter3679

to add onto this, i unloaded about 50-100 20mm rounds into a spitfire, he flew off literally unharmed, out turned me and literally gave me backshots with their 20mms

This looks a bit strange. I fly every few days my SM 92 with 3 x 20 mm MG 151s and have zero problems with getting kills if i hit my target.

The ballistic nerf and the SD (self-destruction of mine shells) nerf / bug require simply just to get closer than years before.

[Pecanin]

Not saying that FW 190 was superior to later iterations of Spitfire but early ones simply couldn’t handle it .

What Gaijin have done first with nerf to its guns then to its fm is make it inferior to all Spits and even some hurricanes.

When they nerf they use sledgehammer approach ,that is the reason why hispanos were such crap for few years as well.

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