Yeah, you don’t have to spawn a tank in tank game, right.
Yeah, it is absurd to give players what they want. After all, who cares if players are satsfied with the game
I will not be engaging anymore with you, as you are either insane or just trolling with your alvis level takes.
Take care and bye
This is just signs of you exhibiting cognitive bias.
It’s combined as has been mentioned so many times, so that response is null.
The only reason you have for being so upset about this is being bitter and unable to engage on the same level as I am with you, after all, you couldn’t even take note of what was said to you prior, and had to make out like you’d not seen it.
Cool beans.
Come on, make some better contribution. It’s clear that all you all have is to mock and abuse to deride, and it’s become a problem because you can’t actually pose anything other than being that way inclined.
Combined? Ok, then remove ARB, as it is combined arms game and i can’t spawn naval or ground in ARB
L O G I C
Damn, i told myself to not engage anymore, but this level of illogical thinking is just wrong
It’s not illogical at all, what’s illogical is you needing the mode added because you see someone objecting to your want, and labeling them as an ‘insecure CAS abuser’ which is actually pretty sad…
Because I just play the game as it is, and I enjoy it, but it’s obvious you actually don’t, so much so you have to label and abuse players just because they do what you don’t like.
B I T T E R…
So why can’t other enjoy it too?
They can…
You’re putting too much emphasis on the victimhood of being killed in a PvP game…
Do you get like this when you don’t like being killed by a tank? Like, it’s so wrong, it’s like something kids should be taught about how an opposing player is still a player NOT an enemy…
Much the same as comments on a forum or on the internet in general… I’m not a villain for not agreeing with you, or doing what you don’t like.
Mod can delete your entire post history still nobody would even notice that something is missing lol
Post something that people would agree with, just one thing if you can
They literally want to have thier own TO mode and you just gatekeep them.
And the fact, that you would still
as previous, and TO people would also play the game they enjoy.
Your protest for this is just a prove that you simply are selfish, and there is no deny to that
Ok deal. Keep combined.
Then give people ground only battles since it’s so much requested. And they don’t even have to waste resources. They have the maps etc. Just limit it to not have planes/helis…
EDIT: i always say we keep asking the wrong things. And that’s a fine example. They don’t have to delete “combined” battles. The mode is advertised as Ground Battles, not combined though.
Rename this we play now…Combined Arms. Insert actual Ground Battles. Fixed. And it’s not even a days job. Take the mode as is, copy it, insert a limitation…done.
Actually, you can pick out that it is missing…
Why should I post something to pander to you though?
Why are you so uptight about someone opposing, genuinely… There is no reason to be so caught up on the mere fact of it.
Just because you want TO mode alone, it doesn’t mean it’s the only solution, and a very valid one is to actually form a squad and play with others who can run SPAA for you if you don’t want to run it.
Doesn’t mean the game they play needs to be changed to suit them.
Nope… I’m actually of the true opinion that people need to get good, because many haven’t even got to a point where they are actually being rampaged on, they’re not even halfway through the tree, and thus aren’t genuinely hitting the missiles and smartbombs that people are citing…
Ummm, no…
Ok Gaijin, you don’t want more money…
Oh, i thought you were Gaijin.
Again, his only argument is:
„I don’t want them to have it” nothing more. All he have said was already discussed and he was shown that what he propose will not change anything for people wanting just ground battles.
Skill is required for all vehicles in War Thunder, no matter what other people might tell you. All war thunder gamemodes are combined arms, which is a core part of the game and advertised as such. The only exception is AAB, ARB and ASB, all of which are old gamemodes from when WT wasn’t a combined arms game. Although they did add AI units. Any air Sim player can tell you the horrors of mid map SPAA at all BR’s
Generally CAS has a very mixed influence on the victory rate of ground realistic. It’s only at the very top tier that we see a large difference in impact of CAS compared to SPAA and other ground units. A lot of skill is required for CAS pilots to actually make a return on the invested Spawn Points, as most just revenge bomb the targets they know the location of from when they were in a light tank.
Generally a game will be easily lost if more than 3 players will go in a CAS vehicle, which is far more noticeable if you play nations that have famous CAS planes, like the USA at BR 5.7-6.7. Getting 11 kills in an AU-1 or another CAS-heavy plane is fine, but you can also make the same amount of kills with a Jumbo at the same BR and win the game by capturing zones.
If you want to win a game you need to play with tanks, Gaijin recently removed the zone capture ability of all airplanes except the harriers and yak-38 in order to facilitate that.
Being aware of the air threat and countering it with decent cover, the right movement patterns and skills to not be seen are also very important for your survival and an integral part of GAB/GRB/GSB.
Any decent arcade player can tell you that. And in realistic this is learned at a slower pace, but also very important. Don’t stay at the same place after killing an enemy. Always check how many SP the killed enemy will roughly have used if you want to stay at that spot. Don’t just look left and right, but also up. Etc. etc.
At the medium and especially at the upper middle BR’s of 7.3-8.7 we see extremely overpowered SPAA that are often 30 years younger than the tanks and planes often associated with these BR’s. Several of these SPAA are nuke printers, allowing any decent player to wipe an entire team in the first 5-7 minutes of the game, which is also an argument often used by CAS players to show that CAS isn’t the only powerful tool available in GRB.
Several SPAA can easily carry a match on their own. They just require more skill.
I also play CAS on occasion in GRB, mostly when I have other squad mates I’m assisting that might have less skill at the game and need assistance if they are cornered by several enemies. (And where I’m not concerned about winning the game)
CAS is also a very much needed tool to combat spawn campers or people that abuse overpowered positions on the map, often the only option to try and turn the game in your team’s favour.
At least, that’s my experience for BR’s 1.0-10.7. at top tier it’s far more toxic imo, and there both CAS and SPAA are really unbalanced both ways. Decompression and equal platforms for all nations are badly needed there.
I actually mentioned not 5 posts prior the reasons why I object, and you come in with your take.
I don’t need to go over it again, because if you’re responding to me, then you can at least do the decent thing and read a few posts rather than just repeating the common thing here, demanding the mode you want to make you avoid a threat which many of us actually have no true issue with, and are prepared to have other solutions implemented.
5 posts before you were telling people to get good.
Anyway, i understand you like that way of playing… and the discussion in the topic is not about deleting current game mode, but adding an extra one.
And i as you state your opinion (while bashing others) , i support a new game mode… BUT not deleting the current.
And personally… i don’t avoid. I rarely play that mode because i’m into planes. And when i do play the mode, i CAS as well and bring SPAA etc. WW2 stuff though.
But i can’t deny a new game mode anyway…
I can still die to CAS even if my team has AAs up, so if everyone wants to be 100% safe they’ll need to spawn one themselves.
Yes, don’t spawn tanks in GRB.
You still don’t get it.
Fights in a PvP game should be fair, but sadly CAS vs tanks isn’t a fair fight in any scenario.
You can fight back against other tanks, a stark difference you somehow ignore or can’t see.
TO is the only solution for a game mode without planes. If ARB can be planes-only, then I see no reason why we couldn’t have a tanks-only mode.
There is a very real point to actually labelling it a skill issue and that’s because MANY are just blissfully unaware with blinkers on, so they get mad at whatever got them, even if they don’t know what got them…
Then they want the game changed to stop them having that happen.
It’s not the way to ‘fix’ the game.
Actually, you’re incorrect… This is actually a thread about why people oppose the suggestion, it’s just been threadjacked to a spam thread about demanding the mode itself because every time anyone objercts, they are labeled as a CAS player, and then anything they say is dismissed and they’re directly attacked.
Good for you.
Again, good stuff… It’s what’s needed. You play that role to cover yourself and the team. It needs more like that.
That’s your choice, as it is for everyone else as well.
Nope, that’s bad faith argueing right there…
More bad faith.
No, I do…
No, actually, that isn’t the case at all… You WANT it to be fair, it doesn’t HAVE to be fair.
That wasn’t to you, and was more about thier reaction being so septic about being got… Your want to paint it out another angle entirely is just you trying to make inroads to attack.
That old tired ‘But ARB’ nonsense is just barricading and ignorance… It’s not the only solution, it’s just the one you demand.
Let me reiterate as some messages remained rule-breaking even after being flagged… Please refrain from making this discussion a personal matter, there’s no need to insult anybody or to state that someone needs therapy because they have different opinions. Agree to disagree fellas.
(If your message gets hidden there is probably something rule-breaking in it, find it and edit it out or ask a moderator if you need help)
It’s a rebuttal to the old and tired “it’s a combined arms game” argument for not having a TO game mode without the “smite” button that is CAS (in its current state) and a highlight of the double standards that seem to be omnipresent in any CAS discussion.
I’d also like to add that from my experience CAS promotes excessive camping in bushes, forests and spawn by punishing anyone who cleared out tank defenders and started capping the enemy point with an immediate bombing/suicide run on their head (ironic considering it is touted as the end all, be all anti-camping measure of all time). This is probably the biggest issue with CAS for me since it promotes staying as far back as you possibly can from the objectives after the two minute mark unless you want to 100% lose your tank to an airplane.
No, I will not spawn in SPAA first.