Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions

[Pangolin_Fan]

@GoneToTheAether

Many SPAAGs and SAMs are outright defenseless vs all but the thinnest-skinned tanks, yet they are paradoxically expected to move outside their own spawns to protect the frontline?

Brotha, no1 is saying that. We’re saying stay near your teammates. You’re just trying to twist actual arguments into something else cause you don’t wanna actually solve the problem yourself.

@GoneToTheAether

Many are also outright missing ammunition types they would need to become effective at tank-killing (40mm Bofors APDS, 37mm Flak APCR, for example)

You cannot seriously be complaining about Bofors and 3.7cm flak. They can shred nearly EVERYTHING at their BR, with the only exception ironically being Russian and German heavies.

@GoneToTheAether

or have those belts artificially limited in size for “balans”

You mean Gepard which had its APDS belt limited for realism and balance?

@GoneToTheAether

In all seriousness, what exactly is the real difference between a radar gun AA and an IFV if both can do anti-air and anti-tank equally well given equally unlimited ammo stocks?

Then just use IFVs if they’re better. No need to complain about SPAA

@GoneToTheAether

Then meanwhile in lower ranks specifically, AA without radars are deathly hard to learn

That is seriously just skill issue.

@GoneToTheAether

Finally, their ultra-low SP costs encourage their use as throwaway or “last stand” vehicles at the point in the round where the game is already decided.

Agreed, most SPAA players are low skill because newer players don’t get the spawn points for actual tanks or planes.

@GoneToTheAether

• All non-radar AAs, as well as all radar AAs with radar turned off, would get lead markers out to 1.0-1.5km distance depending on crew training.
• All commander-manned tank MGs would have this same feature, as would SPHs when HE-VT is loaded in the gun.

SPAA is already braindead enough to play, we don’t needa handhold SPAA noobs even more.

@GoneToTheAether

Some would even be added due to technically fitting even if not fielded

That would be unrealistic and make no sense.

@GoneToTheAether

Artificial limits on APDS and APFSDS shell counts would be removed for high-tier AAs.

90% of the “artificial limits” are real world limits, e.g Gepard or M247.

@GoneToTheAether

Any remaining belt composition nerfs for SPAAGs’ anti-tank belts would be reverted back to full belts of APCR/APDS (Whirbelwind, Kugelblitz)

Belt nerfs are done for balance. While some tanks (e.g AMX-13 DCA 40) could definetly use a belt buff, Wirbelwind and Kugelblitz especially DO NOT need buffs.

@GoneToTheAether

Most SPAAGs and SAMs excluding the couple that are deathly-effective (Strela and Pantsir) would see their BRs drop quite considerably.

No. If anything, SPAAs like Wirbelwind, Ostwind 2, Btr 152, and Panstir should be moved up

@GoneToTheAether

The Whirbelwind and ZSD-63 are 4.0 material at best.

5.7 at lowest.

@GoneToTheAether

This dismantles a large part of the arguments about CAS, because now the intended counters are actually effective the way WT demands they be.

SPAAs aren’t supposed to be super effective. They sucked IRL, and the only reason Germany used them was bc they didn’t have air superiority.

@GoneToTheAether

No longer are SPAAG/SAMs “worthless,”

They never were worthless, you just simply needa get good.

[PercussionCap]

@Pangolin_Fan

Kugelblitz especially DO NOT need buffs

At 7.0 it is a terrible SPAA when just .3 br higher you can get an M163 or Shilka. The Praga truck at a lower BR has more HVAP pen and better belts.

@Pangolin_Fan

5.7 at lowest

Delusional

@Pangolin_Fan

SPAAs aren’t supposed to be super effective

This is a game where balance should be strived for.

[AK_Awful_Waffle-psn]

@Pangolin_Fan

SPAAs aren’t supposed to be super effective. They sucked IRL, and the only reason Germany used them was bc they didn’t have air superiority.

You keep pushing this lie. But they’re they most dangerous things to planes and always have been 🤣

[Yolodanstagueul]

@Pangolin_Fan

SPAA is already braindead enough to play, we don’t needa handhold SPAA noobs even more.

Leading a target that is evading you at 400 km/h is, in fact, harder than dropping a 1000 lbs bomb withing 30m of an open top vehicle.

[AK_Awful_Waffle-psn]

And it’s ignoring that even in the 40’s ground based AA had fire directors and lead computing/reflex AA sights that were specifically built to assist in targeting fast moving aircraft.

But in WT, that’s reserved for aircraft 🙄

[Pangolin_Fan]

@PercussionCap

At 7.0 it is a terrible SPAA when just .3 br higher you can get an M163 or Shilka.

Ye shilka is absolute BS how low it is aswell.

@PercussionCap

This is a game where balance should be strived for.

if SPAA was better at taking down planes than planes are at taking out SPAA, or better than planes are at taking out other planes, then it would need to be atleast as expensive as a plane itself.

SPAA being a cheaper but less effective option IS game balance.

@Yolodanstagueul

Leading a target that is evading you at 400 km/h is, in fact, harder than dropping a 1000 lbs bomb withing 30m of an open top vehicle.

XD how is getting bombed a common enough occurance for you that you’d even think it could be a valid argument?

[RunaDacino]

@Pangolin_Fan

XD how is getting bombed a common enough occurance for you that you’d even think it could be a valid argument?

Play anything against the american corsair spam.

You may be driving at top speed (28 km/h!), get a 1 ton bomb dropped near you while driving and you die before you can get away. Or maybe you survive, but your barrel and tracks are gone so you’re a sitting duck repairing for 40-50 seconds.

[Pangolin_Fan]

hasn’t happened. I’ve been playin tons of 5.0 Germany, 4.0 Italy, and 5.7 France recently, and I was honestly surprised how little American CAS there its. Germany/Russia typically spawn as many, if not more.

ofc, BR and player skill matter more than nation regardless.

[PercussionCap]

@Pangolin_Fan

hasn’t happened.

here you go

[Pangolin_Fan]

congrats, a Bf 109 dropped a bomb between 3 guys and killed em.

[PercussionCap]

That’s a Corsair, which came back for revenge after we took the C point.

[Pangolin_Fan]

I know it’s a Corsair, I also know what plane it is doesn’t matter. Bf 109 or Corsair, it would yield the exact same result.

[PercussionCap]

A 109 would have a 50% chance of missing since only one of that corsair’s 1000lb bombs actually got near us, on top of much lower kill radius.

[Pangolin_Fan]

That’s not how probability works. You thinking CAS is always left up to a coin flip explains alot about your arguments.

[RunaDacino]

@Pangolin_Fan

I also know what plane it is doesn’t matter

It’s a million times easier to land killshots with the 500 kg bomb over the 250 kg one.

[Pangolin_Fan]

Bf 109 has 500kg

[RunaDacino]

Which?

F4U-1 gets 1 (2.7), F4U-4 (4.3) has 2 500 kg ones.

Bf109 F (4.0) gets 1 250 kg one, G6 (4.7) gets 1 250 kg one, G-14 (5.3) still 250kg.

Once we reach 5.7 we find 1 500 kg bomb.

Also airframe durability and survivability matter a lot.

The F4Us are built like flying tanks. I’ve survived some very stupid stuff with them and flew back to base without an issue.

Corsairs: Only beaten by hellcats in survivability.

[PercussionCap]

@Pangolin_Fan

You thinking CAS is always left up to a coin flip

It’s not left to a coinflip. The Corsair dropped two bombs (because it carries two bombs), the 109 only has one. The 50kgs aren’t worth mentioning.

[Pangolin_Fan]

and his image was a 5.7 battle

@PercussionCap

It’s not left to a coinflip. The Corsair dropped two bombs (because it carries two bombs), the 109 only has one. The 50kgs aren’t worth mentioning.

he only needed one

[PercussionCap]

And he missed one. If that was a 109, there would have been a 50% chance that all 3 of us on that cap circle would have lived.

@Pangolin_Fan

his image was a 5.7 battle

Type 75 SPH is 6.3, it would have been at least that high. Likely 6.7 since that lineup is quite good.