The F16c Blk 52 PoBit is the United States upgrade of aging Blk 40/42/50/52 F16c to be on par match with the f16V and in this upcoming update it is coming for the United States but the major problem is that the blk 52 PoBit we have provides almost Nothing new that we don’t already have for the regular blk 50 as a matter fact the f16c PoBit is worse than the f16c in some categories that its supposed to be better in But arguably one of the most saddest parts of the 52 we have in the dev server is the SEVERE lack of suspended armament as well as its even worse lack of countermeasures and advanced protection systems so here is some help for the devs to not massacre one of my favorite aircraft before it comes to the game
Countermeasures
the f16 is missing its AN/ALQ 257 Integrated Viper Electronic Warfare Suite made by northrop Grumman
which “is designed to give F-16 electronic warfare (EW) capabilities on par with the latest generation aircraft, significantly enhancing survivability for operations in contested and congested electromagnetic spectrum environments.” which includes a 360 degree RWR as well as a MAW system as well as to complement its new systems it was also provided with additional counter measure pods
(source https://www.northropgrumman.com/what-we-do/mission-solutions/electronic-warfare/f-16-integrated-viper-electronic-warfare-suite-ivews
With f16c is its severe lack of diversity of weaponry we have I really haven’t been able to understand why exactly gaijin has not implemented a good chunk of the weapons it can carry its suspended armament cannot in anyway be unfair to have in game and would diminish some of the problems the f16 has in Some scenarios I also don’t understand why they have added better and similar armament to other f16s we have in game i.e f16I we have had the same stuff for the f16’s since they came to the game being Mavericks and guided bombs, the f16c blk 52 Pobit was made to be a cheaper alternative upgrade to match the f16v especially ordnance and its a real shame that we don’t have that so here is a list of ALL suspended armament it can carry in hopes the devs will add it to the game.
- M61A1 20mm Vulcan – 1 (internal gun, ~511 rounds)
- AIM-9M Sidewinder – x2 (wingtips; up to x4 possible with dual-rail config)
- AIM-9X Sidewinder – x2 (wingtips; up to x4 possible with dual-rail config)
- AIM-120 AMRAAM (B/C/D) – x6 (2 wingtips + 4 underwing)
- AGM-65 Maverick – x6 (A-K)
- AGM-88 HARM – x4
- AGM-88E AARGM – x4
- AGM-154 JSOW – x4
- AGM-158 JASSM – x2
- GBU-10 – x4
- GBU-12 – x7
- GBU-16 – x5
- GBU-24 – x2
- GBU-31 (JDAM) – x4
- GBU-32 (JDAM) – x5
- GBU-38 (JDAM) – x7
- GBU-39 SDB I – x12 (3 BRU-61 racks × 4 bombs each)
- GBU-53/B StormBreaker – x12
- Mk-82 – x12 (high - low drag)
- Mk-83 – x5 (high - low drag)
- Mk-84 – x4 ( High
- Hydra 70 rockets – Up to x114 rockets (6 × 19-shot pods)
- APKWS II – Same carriage as Hydra pods (guided rockets inside pods)
Of course this is not all the problems the f16 BLK 52 pobit has but these are the things I would like and need to be changed so hopefully gaijin devs will look at this and take notes on the things that need to be changed on this new aircraft before allowing it to get into players hands on the live server
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They could add the MAW and 360 degree RWR if this isn’t already implemented but ECM isn’t modeled in war thunder on any plane. The AIM-9X is out of the question as there are no equivalents in other trees.
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Literally putting possibilities not certainties and not everything on the list needs to be added at once it can be added over a span of time 9x’s will come just later on which I why I put it there
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Matter fact a lot of the things on that list have been mentioned and are coming to the game do your research on what was told is and isn’t coming to the game
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There is no need to be hostile.
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Can america or any other similar nation that isnt china get the equivalent of an r27ET? Or what about the KH38? Or would that be too unfair?
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Oh yeah. Name few.
Agm84 your only limited to 4. Not better than 6 kh38.
Go ahead. Name few
The thing is the AGM88 isnt even out yet. Russia has had concept missle KH38s for a while now, while america is stuck with slow, shitty Mavericks.
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GBU-53 / B SDB II?It’s clear that aside from something similar from China, NATO doesn’t have anything comparable, unless Gaijin adds the millimeter-wave guidance for the Brimstone.
r27et is not top tier meta. 9x would become top tier IR meta.
The ET absolutely is meta. How is hitting someone from over 11km going at full speed, at ground level, perfectly fine when compared to barely even being able to hit a target 3km away with the 9m??
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Sounds like America should’ve stuck a 9M seeker in an AMRAAM.
France got with the program ;)
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No it isn’t. Literally at every BR it is included at, it is a gimmick weapon that relies on a niche rather than being universally useful.
Because it has poor IRCCM and relies on the other guy simply not knowing the R27ET exists
The 9M has strong irccm in comparison… they are two completely different class of missiles.
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The irccm of the et is better than the r73’s irccm.
No, it isn’t. Please do not lie to try to force a narrative.
Yes it is, it can see planes much further away and is more flare resistant than the 73 when close up.
R27ET is more resistant to flares than R-73 in the specific situations where it sees the flare, and also sees the aircraft’s afterburning engine in the same FoV. The R-73 is more resistant in general within its employment range because it restricts the FoV to not see flares in the first place. The R-73 becomes flare resistant in any aspect in its effective range. The R-27ET IRCCM only works at 1. close range (just like r73) and 2. only when rear aspect.
The R-27ET’s capability to see further is not a feature of IRCCM.
R-73 is more flare resistant because its FOV is already tiny to begin with. Once you prepare to fire, even before you fire the FoV is shrinking the closer you get to the target and once you launch, the closer the missile gets the more it shrinks. R-27ET’s FOV in comparison is like trying to put a thread through a door versus the R-73’s needle, so to even replicate the R-73’s effectiveness with the R-27ET, it would have to be pretty close for it to be unflarable.
Agm 88 is the harm which is coming update after this one if you are reffering to the agm 84(my guess) it could still out perform the kh 38mt/ml in a lot of different scenarios
