Almost like the SPAA is there to make your life hard and protect the ground forces eh?
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You’re just complaining for no reason. They aren’t going to artificially limit lock range for you. The Gepard is doing its job by preventing you from effectively doing CAS.
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Thats fine, then what should be done is simply changing the BR so Radar SPAA does not see planes that dont have targeting computers for their bombs like the Vampire. That would be balanced as the targeting computer would give pilots a chance to aim from a wider range of angles and heights.
It would not make planes immune to SPAA it would just provide options for effective attack without being unreasonably vulnerable.
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No, if anything they need to nerf the non radar AA to be more dangerous.
It should not safe for aircraft to get down low into the WEZ of AAA/IADS. It is a decidedly dangerous affair
As it currently is, non radar guided SPAA are decidedly neutered with absolutely no range finding, or lead estimation tools/gunsights despite those having been fielded by every virtually.
Current CAS has it easier than they should, and you want to make it easier when it’s one of the biggest complaints in the game? Hard no.
I’d be perfectly fine with a buff to non-radar SPAA, I agree its needed as trying to use anything without radar is a total crapshoot unless the plane is coming right at you and it allows pilots to get away with more than they should.
There has to be some kind of middle ground between almost ineffective SPAA at mid tiers and then getting radar locked from multiple kilometers away with little to no effective recourse other than dodge and run away at higher tiers.
Ah yeah… Like Gaijin listens to Manuals.
You have any idea how many times ive seen people bring up the Missing Thermals on the Cheiftains? MY SELF INCLUDED? and have sited source after source stating the Mk5 and Mk10 Chieftains were fitted with thermals?
Or how about the M1 Abrams armor debacle from earlier this year? Gaijin only listens to manuals when it buffs Russian, Swedish, or German Vehicles.
EDIT: even in cases where they HAVE listened to bug reports in the case of the Challenger 2’s Mantlet, they still don’t actually change it, its still a armor hole.
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The Chieftains that would have thermals aren’t currently in-game.
It is very obvious that the optics of the Mk10 is not large enough to conform to thermals [on top of its manual stating no thermals].
Gaijin always listens to manuals. M1 Abrams armor had zero historical reports with actionable evidence.
The only historical report I saw with actionable evidence was the turret ring report.
Dude. The Chieftain Mk5s were fitted with Thermals OUT OF THE FACTORY.
The Mk10’s were fitted with them through the Totem Pole Program.
The Chieftain’s used a TOG’s Box, they didn’t use a Actual Thermal sight. They had a secondary sight that was Thermal’s only.
Most Chieftain’s fitted with Thermal’s just had the TOG’s sight retrofitted into the Old IR spotlight housing.
Edit: You can even SEE the TOG’s Box on the side of the Challenger 1 in game, since the C1s were fitted with the same Gen 1 thermals as the Chieftains.
Chieftain Mk5 was introduced decades prior to thermal sights for tanks existing.
Barr & Stroud Thermal Observation Gunnery System was introduced in 1984, Chieftain Mk5 is 1970s.
And notice that is indeed a Challenger you posted and not a Chieftain.
Note that a Chieftain with thermals would be 9.7/10.0 in BR.
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Standoff, terrain masking, speed, and the ability to disengage are exactly how you combat IADS if you don’t have ARM to fight them.
The fact that you can bore in as long as you stay at >Mach.9 against most systems is already BS.
“Exercise Totem Pole” was carried out in six-to-nine phases depending on the Mark of vehicle being modified in between 1975 and 1979 and included fitment of the Marconi improved Fire Control System (IFCS), replacement of the searchlight with the Barr & Stroud Thermal Observation Gunnery System (TOGS),"
The Mk5 was still in production in 1976, Thus the last of them to leave the factory were prefitted with the TOG’s sight system. But due to a shortage of the actual purpose built housing for the TOG’s box, most of them had the thermal sight fitted into the pre existing Spotlight housing.
THANK YOU! i had been looking for this picture, FOR YEARS!
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Oh look, a picture of 03EB67. IIRC the only chieftain that kept the Mk 10 name while having TOGS, while the rest of them had TOGS in the TOGS housing and were called Mk 11.
By that i mean all of them, as all of them were converted to 9, then to 10 and then to 11.
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Yep. I think it’s now somewhere in a museum with it taken out.
the Mk11s were literally ONLY Mk8 Chieftains that had Completed the Totem pole program.
And the Mk8s were just Mk3s that had completed the earlier program to bring all earlier MK’s of Chieftain up to Mk5 standards in early 1975
What are you talking about?
Wikipedia 😭
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