That is why I’m fully expecting Gaijin to model it as a 500mm KE equivalent that still won’t stop anything after the armor treatment they gave to the Merkava IV but maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
Leclerc S21 can possibly be 12.0 if the turret protection is bumped and it gets the F2 dart.
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Do you know if the Leclerc has variable zoom like the M1A2SEP? That would also help so much to make these NATO tanks more competitive.
The M1A2SEP in-game is restricted to 3x-10x gunner and CITV when it should have 3x-6x-12x-25x-50x on both.
Gaijin disregards digital zoom and only applies optical one.
I hope they’ll one day roll back on that dumb decision especially if they start adding even more modern tanks.
I dont think they will. Same goes for fully operational FCS (and features from Automatic lead, which would start at T-64 to Multiple Target tracking, that exist on Type 10). It will make shooter-like game (and yeah, War Thunder is more 3rd p shooter, than a sim) kinda boring.
I chuckled at thinking up I just get closer to my monitor.
I mean, we’ve had stuff like CITV showing up when some people said it would never happen. Same as laser rangefinder automatically zeroing your gun. Variable zoom is also not complex FCS, it’s simply allowing a gunner sight to move back and forth between different zoom levels.
Would also be useful for helicopters like the AH-64 to not be stuck in a giant jump between 3x-126x. The AH-64 is supposed to have an intermediate zoom at 16x.
Again, you’ve been proven wrong on this count more than once.
The SEP programme included the improved armour package from the outset. This is currently missing rom the game. Stop talking about subjects that clearly you have no idea about - you are disrupting every thread you join with inaccuracies and running squealing to the mods when people call you out on it.
V2 didn’t add any armour because it should have already been there from day 1 of the.SEP upgrade.
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CITV and even laser rangefinder are still dont so-called “legal cheats”. Variable zoom on tanks is unlikely (cause of the map sizes and because of how easy it will be too shoot anything with X50). As for helis i think intermediate would be good, but it looks like they have just tech difficulties with implementing it as whole
I’m not the one that made the claim, American mains are.
I’m just repeating their proof, a document showing armor upgrades from 2002 onward. 3 years after the introduction of first M1A2 SEP. “First M1A2 SEP tank was delivered to the US Army in 1999.” - Military Today.
Stop insulting everyone that criticizes your precious Russian tanks, it derails conversations.
You aren’t worth communicating with. I’ll just leave the same evidence that was posted in response to your falsehoods waaaay up further in the thread.
I was of the consideration earlier that you were a Russian bot. However that isn’t true and I gleefully retract my statement.
You plainly don’t seem to understand this conversation, the statements therein, the purpose of this discussion or the technical details the rest of us are trying to hammer out in this thread. It all really is going past you which must be a bit confusing. Thus, it would be rather unkind for me to continue to try and engage further with you.
Stop claiming all American mains are me.
It’s clear you’re just trying to provoke all War Thunder players.
Read up & stop attacking everyone that loves Abrams tanks.
BTW, that article doesn’t disprove anything I claimed cause I didn’t claim anything; nor does it address any armor upgrades from 1997 - 2003.
No mention of hull armor upgrade for SEP V1 either, only turret:
Can’t find the mid-life armor upgrade chart for M1A2 SEP V1 at this time tho.
a good way to defeat rus armor is bringing the 140mm prototypes. almost everyone has one.
suggestions have been made ages ago and still nothing.
straight back to t62 vs leopard 1 meta
Target tracking exists in ground arcade. That’s a rarely used feature and far from what makes arcade what it is. Arcade is also far less boring than RB.
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I don’t think making all nations’ armor useless with 152s & 140s is the best idea currently.
For the benefit of those unable to open up the attached link - this is the quote at the top of the document (underlined bold is my own).
The M1A2 SEP is builds on the digitized M1A2 platform with an improved armor package of third generation steel-encased depleted uranium armor, a new command and control system, second-generation FLIR thermal sights that include a Commander’s Independent Thermal Viewer (CITV) for “hunter-killer” operation, the Under Armor Auxiliary Power Unit (UAAPU) that lets crews run key electronics without running the engine, and a Thermal Management System (TMS – i.e. air conditioning for crew & electronics). The M1A2 SEP also features enhanced electronics like color maps and displays, improved networked communications, high-density computer memory and increased microprocessing speed, a more user friendly “Soldier Machine Interface (SMI)”, and an open operating computing system that will make future upgrades and additions easier.
The above is the base SEP. ‘SEP V1’ doesn’t actually exist and is a red herring usually repeated by those unfamiliar with the SEP process.
SEP V2 is detailed next in the document. It outlines that base SEP lacked some battlefield awareness systems. Zero mention of armour (because it was already added in base SEP).
M1A2 SEP Version 2 configuration, which is just beginning to appear, fixes this. It adds improved displays, sights, and power systems compared to earlier SEP versions – plus the tank-infantry phone. Recent orders also added a CROWS-II top-mounted machine gun with advanced sights. The CROWS system can be controlled from inside the tank using a joystick and screen, removing the need to open the hatch and expose the crews to snipers. SEPv2 is the most technologically advanced digital Abrams tank, and is also positioned for future communications and other technology updates.
SEP V3 - arguably the last major upgrade before we get Abrams replacement - added further armour packages but the document predates this.
I could try to explain this to Razervon but alas, we might be here a good while. So I won’t even attempt to!
And that bolded statement doesn’t specify where.
The PDF I linked specifies turret.
And there’s a floating document showing there were mid-life upgrades done to SEP 1s for hull improvements.
Again, I am not the one making these claims. I learned these facts on the forums from American mains, and never talked about them before.
Why didn’t I talk about Abrams SEP armor before I learned about it from other players?
Because I never comment on material I know little or nothing on.
I exclusively comment on material that I know about.
It’s why I’m not even claiming these are proving first production SEP didn’t have hull armor upgrades over M1A2, cause it’s still possible, just unlikely based on the evidence provided by everyone that isn’t me.
You know less than I do about SEP1 armor. And we call it SEP1 today because there are multiple versions now.
Of course you’d know all this if you just read my posts to begin with.
I doubt Nato will ever get a tank with is able to stop darts frontally.
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The Russian mains would have a weapons-grade screaming fit if they did.
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