The Pantsir only happened because your average Tunguska player was a complete monkey rushing his Tunguska to the frontline. Also, in what world was the Tunguska inferior in terms of missiles or radar? It was an equivalent but whatever lol. All Gaijin had to do was add a copy of the Chinese Tor to the Soviet tree if they really believed USSR needed something better to help the Tungu.
Just had a match on Fulda. Rus spawned 4 helis at the start. Killed and damaged most of the team. I shot down one with my 50cal, but most German tanks don’t have this. So alot ppl left 1-2 minutes after matchstart. Flarakrad got killed, cause VT-1 can’t track close air targets after the nerf. So even on maps like Fulda Russians already won before the game really started. These non ATGM helis are rather cheap to spawn, even when you fail, you can easily spawn a MBT afterwards. And profit might be huge.
The other way around it never works, cause all russian tanks have AA MGs and the SAM vehicles have guns to fight close range air targets as well. So non ATGM helis usualy don’t even come close.
Despite not having autocannons to role-play as an IFV nor direct fire missiles to aim at anything light; the Tor was performing almost as bad as the Tunguska according to their internal statistics, that’s how bad it is. I remember that whole thing.
It got bad stats, cause alot ppl used it vs. ground vehicles. Due to the guns a viable choice. That makes it more likely that they get killed and that they miss air targets to shot while beeing distracted by ground buisiness.
SAM-only SPAAs can’t fight ground targets. So they stay out of danger, sit back and just fight jets + helis. Means they always had better AA statistics and alot lower loss rates.
Ooooh - thanks for reminding me of that. The Tunga at that point was an absolute menace to air and ground - virtually idiotproof thanks to those EO missiles. Good grief, how inept must some of these guys be?
No wonder they’re desperate to avoid having their toys nerfed…
No, Pantsir happened because Tunguska is bad compared to every 11.7.
It’s only great aspect is range.
Pantsir is on-par to every 11.7 SPAA except TOR-M1 is superior to Pantsir.
Pantsir has finally hit me once after over 200 missiles, and I was slow & heading directly at it.
Is weird to see russians first spawning SPAAs.
For the second point, NATO helicopters can perform rockets-only runs with success given better airframes and faster rockets.
Tiger HAP/HAD, AH-64 Mk.1 and any of the AH-1 with CCIP are the best for the task.
Play the game .) Ka-50 mainly use their guns and 500kg bombs to get the best kills. Rockets kill too slowly. 500 kg bombs are 500 kg bombs, everything in the kill radius is gone. The CCIPed guns also take out every MBT from above. They just circle over the spawn drop bombs and keep gunning down locked up targets. You don’t see Apache rushes for a reason (or Tiger rushes^^). Its just russian helis and the occasional brit AH.1 trying to abuse it Star Streaks vs. light ground targets.
PS: Works especially well on pit maps or maps with good terrain cover. There you cant see the russians closing in. They rush over a cliff and are suddenly above your team. Game over.
TOR-M1 is only better than Pantsir in SAM performance (95Ya6 vs 9M331), everywhere else is miles worse.
No guns, no thermals and a dead zone of 1km; it was the worst performing top tker SPAA until the missile got an overload buff (18g->42g). Currently, the best SPAA in-game is the american ADATS by the mere fact that it doesn’t have to fight the uberamerican planes (F-14B and F-16C)
First - read my comment before commenting further on the thread. Russian teams must have been truly terrible if they managed to drag the stats down of the Tunguska - one of the best gun/missile vehicles in the game for a long old time.
Second. You are plainly just attempting to derail the discussion by starting arguments. You don’t even make sense half the time you post - much less put forth a cogent argument. I’ve noticed this on a few topics, usually ones where overtuned Russian vehicles are being discusssed.
Third. Arguing that the Tor. THE TOR. Is superior to the Pantsir. … you might want to check the parameters of your programming Komrade!
As for Tunguska, its stats didn’t make it 10.7, its capabilities did.
A gun SPAA with Roland-3 performing missiles with 2 extra kilometers of range isn’t top BR material.
I get that it’s seemingly your favorite SPAA, but it’s just not as good as you want it to be.
It’s not the players fault, I remember what happened.
Prior to the missile changes that applied to all sams (manpads exception), those changes actually came to a few vehicles first. Namely, the Tunguska, Tunguska received those missile changes early rendering them useless.
The Tunguska was already one of the worst performing AA in their stastitics before the missile nerf because of the monkey Soviet player rushing with it. The missile changes were live for barely a month or so on the Tunguska before Sky Guardian if I remember right.
Then every AA was hit with the nerfbat shortly afterward anyway. In anycase, the Pantsir wasn’t the solution chief, especially without relevant countermeasures like Anti-Radar missiles.
Oh, and again we returning to same, already debunked shit, cause by misunderstanding and misinterpritation
Still waiting for a actual answer since you’re incapable of debunking anything. Also what is caused by “miscommunication”?
The Tunguska was already one of the worst performing AA in their stastitics before the missile nerf because of the monkey Soviet player rushing with it. The missile changes were live for barely a month or so on the Tunguska before Sky Guardian if I remember right.
They could’ve easily gotten the TOR-M1 but I guess they deserve the best SPAA!