This is widley known. Shooting russian guns only damage the breech and nothing else. While a Leopard might lose up to 3 turret crew, thx to exessive spalling.
Similar with the turret rings. Ingame turret ring shots are super lethal for any tank but not for T’s. There’s alot unblanced in terms of spalling…primary and secondary. I also remember well the old times, as a shot into the russian driver optic was a 100% kill. But this isn’t anymore as well, if you’re unlucky they’re even able to shoot back now. We could also talk about low aimed shots into the lower frontal plate… My Leopards instantly lose all 4 crew with a huge spall cone setting of from the impact point, covering the whole tank interior. And what does happen when I shot a T-tank LFP?
The russian breech also seems to be a damage absorber for top down attacks. Like it often takes the damage from a Maverick or Pars 3 and kind of protects the turret crew. You often hit the turret roof, but just the breech gets blacked out. They can just rep this up and go on…
No this is a constant issue and never fails to amaze me, I’ve come across this too many times just for it to be “coincidental”.
I don’t really clip it but here is a clip my friend got of it
This basically never happens to NATO tanks and should I mention that the T-80BVM detonation portion is lower than both the M1A2 SEP and Leopard 2A6 (if I recall).
It simply not true. Any tank can eat round with its breech. I have quite many matches, where my gun breech on Type 10 tanked shots without any damage to crew and modules. So nah, its simple game inconsitancy.
And yeah, i had enough time where leopards tanked my round with its breech or lost 1 crew with shot, that should took out at least two if not the whole crew.
DM53 & L27 & M829A3 are the “1st generation anti-ERA”, and yes, all of them can punch through Kontakt-5 (which they were designed against) in real life. For Relikt we have M829A4 & DM83 (to be in use by both Germany & UK) as well as the French SHARD APFSDS.
This is the armored box, made out of 6mm structural steel, catching shrapnel it would seem. It then generates none from the dart passing through it as expected (because its 6mm structural steel) and you are left with the dart having to directly hit modules to do damage.
As seen the dart misses the ammo and the tank survives.
Ammo explosion is basically identical and in this case place no part in why the T-80 survived. The only reason that T-80 survived is because structural steel below 17mm doesn’t shrapnel.
Yep - some Krembots need to realise that just because the Russians claim K1, K5, Relikt or their latest high-tech solution - Tyres - is superior protection to insert western weapon here - it doesn’t actually mean it is true.
I’ll provide an example of how to translate below…
The claim - ‘Kontakt-5 is able to degrade NATO APFSDS rounds by a given percentage.’
The reality - ‘Kontakt-5 was supposed to be able to degrade NATO rounds - the ones we think we know about - assuming they hit the right spot in ideal conditions, and that the factory we got to make the ERA modules actually did due diligence on their QC and made them to spec. Oh, and so long as the NATO round is an old 1980s one that Oleg managed to get a blurry photo of once in West Germany.’
No, this is a constant issue with Russian vehicles I don’t believe 6mm of paper steel can resurrect a ammo charge from blowing up. In the video you can clearly see the ammo charge get destroyed and from war footage we know that T-64B should’ve blown up to space.
A4’s code is is different from that of the A5/6.
createsecondaryshatters = false for gun mantlet area.
Regarding the “armor” around the russian ammo caroussels:
Other nations also have the ammo stored in safe boxes. Its not like they’re hoovering in the air with nothing around, as its shown in WT in any X-ray view. When only one shrapnel hits a chally 2 ammo storage, it light up. Where is the protective hull around the shell storage there?
And obviously no spall is needed for russian T’s. Which makes them extraordinarily hard to take out or to disable their “shooting back” capability. Community is probably tired of the russian super stronK amor + reduced post pen combo. When my tanks get penetrated, its either instantly game over or you’re crippled and out of action.
Had this just during the weekend. Unbelievable. Managed to get a good LFP shot into a T-80…driver dead, engine blacked out and burning. Everything in between obviously undamaged (!!!). It shots back into my LFP and instantly all 4 crew dead. Whole tank from the front to the engine in the back severerly spalled + shot to death.
Question is: What happens with my 650mm pen rod, after it kills the russian driver? I know, its somehow re-entering our space+time continuum just before the engine in the back, otherwise it couldn’t be taken out and start burning. But can’t someone explain to me what or where is my dart before it hits the engine, after it passed the driver seat? What happens in between? The T not even loses its reload capability.
We re talking of secondary spall, not primary spall. Primary spalling as same as on any other vehicle. You can see Leopard 2 gun mask doesnt produce much spall hence secondary spall is on for it. Secondary spall is literally disabled for everyone except two tanks, i have to repeat myself again.
I dont even talk of times when penning Leo 2 and it only kills driver and/or gunner and disables engine without anything else and they oneshot you. Same situations can happen to each side.
That 6mm plate eats shrapnel? Somewhat, there seems to be some limitations as to when it can eat it and not.
Wierd, noone suggested that.
Thats a thing that happens across the board and the vehicle doesn’t explode, have had it happen with everything from Leopards to Tigers. Exactly why the charge re-appeared can be everything from desync to anything else.
Sample bias, we only really see footage of when it does detonate. But i dont think that is what anyone here is arguing.
The game is behaving, for the most part, exactly as expected. You should question why stuff are the way they are and what should potentially be changed.
Imo that would remove the arbitrary cutoff for structural steel to spall. The reason being that if structural steel should spall then there should be consistensy in when it does
Thats a thing that happens across the board and the vehicle doesn’t explode, have had it happen with everything from Leopards to Tigers. Exactly why the charge re-appeared can be everything from desync to anything else.
Reappear? Man man please look at the video properly it’s either your not looking properly or you’re just rushing it, the ammo explodes then the rear ammo charge is visible it doesn’t get replaced. The T-80 and T-64 series also have a lower detonation chance compared to NATO vehicles anyway which is unacceptable.
