Why Canada Should Be a U.S. Sub-tree in War Thunder

[An_Pigeon]

@_Renzo

Both of them received new armor packages relatively recently. Unless Britain in the 90s was 20 years ahead of every other NATO nation in terms of armor and protection.

The dorchester they designed was ahead of its time.

Again the 2a7 as far as ive seen has overall.worse protection from its composites.
Dorchester is only now becoming less effective.

And abrams burlington is a variation of chobham/ dorchester. V3 is ahead of cr2 and 2a8 last i checked is ahead too.

[An_Pigeon]

You say that but it is still world renowned for its levels of armour protection.

It falls short in other fields

[higorz8v]

A Commonwealth will be better, with all the tea drinkers and cricketers

[GNDM_Panzer]

@Space_Cat

Like, sure the ground side of things may have a lot to do with Britain, but what about air and helis?

GNDM_Panzer:

Canada has been looking outside of US options for upgrading their air fleet.

@Space_Cat

Gaijin just calls them the Republic of China

Calling those vehicles ROC when they were granted to Taiwan after 1949 is historically inaccurate but is a choice made by Gaijin to avoid political backlash and the very real potential loss of access to the Chinese market. As bullheaded as Gaijin is they can be clever when it comes to the bottom line, sometimes.

[GNDM_Panzer]

Never said there wasn’t, but bear in mind that the US was under Britain for a short duration compared to India.

Whether you like it or not, it has relevance. I could also go into further about all of this, but this forum isn’t the place for it so I will leave it at that.

[Unit_8]

The true solution should be this.

Though I feel Canada should be in GB. However they’ve already denied the idea of making a Canadian subtree. What would Canada offer to the US? Some Hornets, Leopards and the ADATS? Nothing the US really needs IMO. The GB TT is kind of depressing.

[Renamed2935]

@GNDM_Panzer

Calling those vehicles ROC when they were granted to Taiwan after 1949 is historically inaccurate

It’s historically accurate. Their constitution refers to themselves as ROC. There are a few islands off the coast of Fukien under ROC control, so it’s more inaccurate to call them Taiwan than ROC.

[Grzegames]

Why did you take my suggestion about Poland subtree helicopters for Japan and change it to Canada? Be creative on your own.

@Grzegames

Someone will say that this is a strange concept, but Polish-Japanese relations have been very good for over a hundred years. Poles learned about the existence of Japan thanks to the Marko Polo expedition in the 15th century, and the first direct Polish-Japanese contacts took place in 1585, when three Japanese emissaries from the Tenshō Mission in Rome met with the Pope and the Polish bishop Bernard Maciejowski. Until the 19th century, Poles and Japanese did not maintain permanent diplomatic relations. In the years 1892-93, during his trip to Berlin-Vladivostok, Colonel Yasumasa Fukushima became acquainted with the Polish independence movements in Russia and the convicts in Siberia, which moved him very much, and he presented it in Japan, which moved the Japanese. In 1904, two of the most important Polish independence activists, Józef Piłsudski and Roman Dymowski, came to Tokyo. Piłsudski wanted to encourage the Japanese to support the Polish uprising in Russia in exchange for help in conquering Manchuria. However, Roman Dymowski believed that it would end badly for the Poles, which is why he discouraged the Japanese from Piłsudski’s plan. Dymowski reached Tokyo first and nothing came of Piłsudski’s plans, but both politicians tried to improve the situation of Poles who served in the Russian Army and ended up in Polish captivity. On March 6, 1919, Japan recognized Polish independence as the fifth country in the world and established diplomatic relations. In the years 1920-22, the Japanese helped Polish orphans from Siberia. The Japanese saved 765 children, who were first taken to the Fukudenkai center in Tokyo (visited by the emperor) and then brought to Polish. In 1928, on the initiative of Józef Piłsudski, fifty-one Japanese officers were awarded the Order of Virtuti Militari (the highest Polish designation). In 1939, after the Polish capitulation, the Japanese embassy operated in Warsaw, which operated for two more years. In 1940 in Kaunas, the Japanese diplomat Chiune Sugihara began to issue transit visas to Jewish families of Polish origin without restrictions. He issued 2139 family visas, which saved several thousand lives from the Germans. In December 1941, Poland declared war on Japan (the only war declared by Poland in the 20th century), but the Japanese consul stated that the Poles were declaring this war under British coercion and did not accept it because of good relations. Despite the declaration of war between Poland and Japan, the cooperation of intelligence services against the USSR and Germany continued, which continued until the end of the war. In 1957, Japan recognized the Polish People’s Republic and on February 8, 1957, the Polish-Japanese War ended and diplomatic relations were reestablished. In 1980, the Independent Self-Governing Trade Union “Solidarity” was established, which was joined by Yoshiho Umeda, for which he was expelled from Polish in 1982 (he returned in 1989), for his merits he was awarded by Poland. Since 1989, Polish-Japanese relations have become more and more cordial. Poles sent aid to the Japanese after the Cataclysms of 1995 and 2011. In 2002, the historic Imperial Majesties Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko (Emperor of Japan for the first time in Poland) took place. In 2015, during his visit to Japan, the President of the Republic of Poland, Bronisław Komorowski, established a strategic partnership between Poland and Japan. In 2019, 100 years of Polish-Japanese relations were celebrated, and then Poland was visited by the Japanese heir to the throne, Prince Akishino, together with Princess Kiko. Poland and Japan cooperate economically, culturally and scientifically.

[Beeschurger]

Psst, it was a joke

[Grzegames]

That doesn’t mean you can’t be creative. Copying text from my suggestion is taking the easy way out.

[FearDaBoyXx-live]

Thank you for telling me that’s actually a really good solution that I didn’t think of!

[Jarms]

Sorry, but they should be in the British tree just like Australia.

In WW2 they produced British vehicles as well as their own, they fought with British & Commonwealth Forces, and were under British command. After WW2 just like Australia, still recognize the Crown as their Head of State.

Also, sorry, but there are also far more Canadian vehicles in the British tree. There’s the:

• Ram I (being added soon)
• Ram II
• Skink
• ADATS
• QF 3.7 RAM
• HMCS Terra Nova
• HMCS Brantford
• HMCS Haida
• MTB-460 (Incorrect nation bug report awaiting action)
• Prendergast’s Spitfire (Incorrect nation bug report awaiting action)
• CF-188A (being added soon)

All the US has is the:

• Stuart VI (5th CAD)
• M4A5
• Skink & Premium “Pacific” Skink (still hilariously bad in historical terms that one)

The only thing that I agree with you is the fact all of the Canadian vehicles should be in one tree. Just not the one you’re suggesting.

[Jarms]

What was the “gap or need” for the Canadian Leopards to go into the German tree? I don’t think they lack for their own Leopards or need Canadian Leopards.

I’m sure Gaijin must understand the frustration of Canadian and Australian players when you’re expected to grind out multiple trees just to use your nations vehicles. Might have been fun to make a line up with the Canadian Leopards and Canadian Hornets, or the Australian Abrams and Australian Hornets.

[_Renzo]

They wanted a 11.7 premium for the German tree that was also well known.

At the same time Britain didn’t have any “gap or need” when it comes to 11.7 MBTs.

[Jarms]

Domestic options exist, such as:

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Also the Leopard 2 KVT.

[_Renzo]

That’s 12.0 material, so can’t be a premium (yet).

[Sahilku010101-psn]

@Jarms

you’re expected to grind out multiple trees just to use your nations vehicles

Except that you can’t. The C2A1 is a event vehicle, the 2A4M CAN is a premium, none of which are grindable. The M1A1 AIM is a squadron vehicle which you can purchase or grind without ever having a single RP in the US tree. You can access all Canadian and Australian vehicles without ever having to grind any tree outside of Britain.

[Jarms]

Didn’t realize we were promoting single vehicle lineups now.

[Smin1080p_WT]

@Jarms

What was the “gap or need” for the Canadian Leopards to go into the German tree? I don’t think they lack for their own Leopards or need Canadian Leopards

The Canadian examples are some of the more unique and different ones to the standard German ones.

For events, vehciles need to be interesting so that people actually want them rather than “just another leopard”.

Similarly for the premium 2A4, Germany already had premium Leos. So something more unique was required, and with the existing Canadian event Leopard, it lined up nicely.

[Jarms]

Look, I appreciate you responding to me. I really do.

As I said above, it’s just frustrating to a lot of us Australian’s and Canadians that we don’t just get a single nation to have all our vehicles. A lot of us was hoping with the news regarding the British tree reshuffle, the mention of a Commonwealth line, and the new Canadian and Australian vehicles we might have seen a shift in the official stance.