Yeah. I think it was a smart decision when being developed with available information at the time. But that changed quite quickly in the early 2000s. Especially as development started before the USSR Collapse and a war with the soviets was still on the table
Honestly as a Canadian I feel the same way you do, and I know it’s a very unpopular opinion.
If we’re not getting a full tree/combined CA/AU/NZ tree, just put stuff wherever it was built.
Also the US subtree idea absolutely not, of all the nations who need subtrees US and USSR are second last and last respectively.
I agree with the former, but I doubt that tanks like the 2A7 and SEPv3 are just “up to par” with the CR2, I think they exceed it.
Both of them received new armor packages relatively recently. Unless Britain in the 90s was 20 years ahead of every other NATO nation in terms of armor and protection.
Whilst have no evidence either way, that is also assuming the CR2s armour never ever got updated in the past 30 years.
Again, I dont think its unreasonable to consider the CR2 largely on par in terms of survivability with everyone else.
Just falls behind on mobility and shell pen.
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Is this satire?
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to consider the CR2 on par in terms of armor with vehicles of a similar time period or even vehicles slightly newer than it. Hell I think it’s very reasonable.
I find it more questionable when comparing them to vehicles with an armor package that is 10-20 years newer.
I think they should make Canada a Japan subtree, why, well you see…
Someone will say that this is a strange concept, but Canadian-Japanese relations have been very good for over a hundred years. Canadians learned about the existence of Japan thanks to the Marko Polo expedition in the 15th century, and the first direct Canadian-Japanese contacts took place in 1585, when three Japanese emissaries from the Tenshō Mission in Rome met with the Pope and the Canadian bishop Bernard Maplesyrupski. Until the 19th century, Canadians and Japanese did not maintain permanent diplomatic relations. In the years 1892-93, during his trip to Halifax-Vancouver, Colonel Yasumasa Fukushima became acquainted with the Canadian independence movements in North America and the convicts in Quebec, which moved him very much, and he presented it in Japan, which moved the Japanese. In 1904, two of the most important Canadian independence activists, Józef Poutineski and Roman Tuqueski, came to Tokyo. Poutineski wanted to encourage the Japanese to support the Canadian uprising in North America in exchange for help in conquering Manchuria. However, Roman Tuqueski believed that it would end badly for the Canadians, which is why he discouraged the Japanese from Poutineski’s plan. Tuqueski reached Tokyo first and nothing came of Poutineski’s plans, but both politicians tried to improve the situation of Canadians who served in the American Army and ended up in Canadian captivity. On March 6, 1919, Japan recognized Canadian independence as the fifth country in the world and established diplomatic relations. In the years 1920-22, the Japanese helped Canadian orphans from Quebec. The Japanese saved 765 children, who were first taken to the Fukudenkai center in Tokyo (visited by the emperor) and then brought to Canadian. In 1928, on the initiative of Józef Poutineski, fifty-one Japanese officers were awarded the Order of Virtuti Militari (the highest Canadian designation). In 1939, after the Canadian capitulation, the Japanese embassy operated in Ottawa, which operated for two more years. In 1940 in Montreal, the Japanese diplomat Chiune Sugihara began to issue transit visas to Jewish families of Canadian origin without restrictions. He issued 2139 family visas, which saved several thousand lives from the Germans. In December 1941, Canada declared war on Japan (the only war declared by Canada in the 20th century), but the Japanese consul stated that the Canadians were declaring this war under British coercion and did not accept it because of good relations. Despite the declaration of war between Canada and Japan, the cooperation of intelligence services against the USSR and Germany continued, which continued until the end of the war. In 1957, Japan recognized the Canadian People’s Republic and on February 8, 1957, the Canadian-Japanese War ended and diplomatic relations were reestablished. In 1980, the Independent Self-Governing Trade Union “Solidarity” was established, which was joined by Yoshiho Umeda, for which he was expelled from Canadian in 1982 (he returned in 1989), for his merits he was awarded by Canada. Since 1989, Canadian-Japanese relations have become more and more cordial. Canadians sent aid to the Japanese after the Cataclysms of 1995 and 2011. In 2002, the historic Imperial Majesties Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko (Emperor of Japan for the first time in Canada) took place. In 2015, during his visit to Japan, the President of the Republic of Canada, Bronisław Loonieski, established a strategic partnership between Canada and Japan. In 2019, 100 years of Canadian-Japanese relations were celebrated, and then Canada was visited by the Japanese heir to the throne, Prince Akishino, together with Princess Kiko. Canada and Japan cooperate economically, culturally and scientifically.
These long diplomatic relations allow (if I will) for the Japanese in War Thunder to host Canadians in their tech tree.
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And for the base armour sure.
But things like the TES armour package was 2013 from what I can find. So TES/OES should be considered 10-20 years newer than the base CR2.
If we have to drag around 10 tons of extra armour. I think it should have a meaningful impact on survivability
Sure it is largely tailored towards IEDs and ATGMs, but at the moment, it barely provides any protection against ATGMs
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Truly amazing reasoning, if the bickering between UK and Us mains continue, the neutral party shall reap the rewards.
The 2a7 was up ti par, 2a8 is better overall.
Apologies that was meant to be V2 but a typo, on the phone rn not computer.
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The dorchester they designed was ahead of its time.
Again the 2a7 as far as ive seen has overall.worse protection from its composites.
Dorchester is only now becoming less effective.
And abrams burlington is a variation of chobham/ dorchester. V3 is ahead of cr2 and 2a8 last i checked is ahead too.
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You say that but it is still world renowned for its levels of armour protection.
It falls short in other fields
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A Commonwealth will be better, with all the tea drinkers and cricketers
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Canada has been looking outside of US options for upgrading their air fleet.
Calling those vehicles ROC when they were granted to Taiwan after 1949 is historically inaccurate but is a choice made by Gaijin to avoid political backlash and the very real potential loss of access to the Chinese market. As bullheaded as Gaijin is they can be clever when it comes to the bottom line, sometimes.
Never said there wasn’t, but bear in mind that the US was under Britain for a short duration compared to India.
Whether you like it or not, it has relevance. I could also go into further about all of this, but this forum isn’t the place for it so I will leave it at that.
The true solution should be this.
Though I feel Canada should be in GB. However they’ve already denied the idea of making a Canadian subtree. What would Canada offer to the US? Some Hornets, Leopards and the ADATS? Nothing the US really needs IMO. The GB TT is kind of depressing.
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It’s historically accurate. Their constitution refers to themselves as ROC. There are a few islands off the coast of Fukien under ROC control, so it’s more inaccurate to call them Taiwan than ROC.
Why did you take my suggestion about Poland subtree helicopters for Japan and change it to Canada? Be creative on your own.
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Psst, it was a joke
That doesn’t mean you can’t be creative. Copying text from my suggestion is taking the easy way out.
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