T-28 is seriously bonkers at 6.3 though. Especially in downtiers
Anyone who wants a taste of what it’s like to be immune should play that
inb4 barrel damage, terrible main gun optics ensuring you can’t hit the broad side of a barn at ranges where they can’t barrel you in return, maps being utter nonsense, no reverse speed, and of course CAS…
I own the T28, and love it, but barrel damage ruins it for me most of the time.
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At least you can just repair and watch the enemy try to penetrate your armour hopelessly
That thing is already partially overtiered, same with the 75mm one.
There’s more people complaining about the jumbos being bad, than there are them being too good.
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I mean there is an easy solution yk >:)
All the heavies should really be reclassified to mediums and tanks like T 28/Maus should have their speed doubled …might help with b.s that devs have saddled them with missile slingers/hesh/heat and other stuff they were never designed to tank.
Well thats a way to screw up AB balance even more then it already is, jesus christ.
I guess it means panther LT meta is over?
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Won’t if KV-1 players actually bother to angle lol, they’re genuinely more clueless than Tiger 1 players
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Yeah, the KV-1s are amazing imo, especially the -E and -B variants.
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Ranging MGs are also extremely important for knocking down shit like trees or light fences, which is nice for HEAT-FS. Those vehicles also tend to be much better platforms then the Ikv 103. 500m/s shell velocity really does things that make it bad.
Imma be real they wouldnt go higher- the 105 armed centurions are an example of what they would be like. I myself love the Strv 101 and its gun, its quite frankly one of my favorite in the game. With proper postpen the Ikv might go up to 5.0 or such, but no higher unless it got its APHE round.
laughs in Bkan
He can always lolpen somewhere on the tank no matter how much you angle. The turret ring and cheeks. Especially cheeks, even if you angle the turret.
May I remind you that the M10 exists? A straight up better gun then the german long 75s, on a chassis with about the same armor and a turret that is extremely trolly. Definitely poor turret traverse, but its not enough to justify that big of a BR difference.
Most of the Panzer IVs should go up ~.3 BR, (Minus the J, I would say it might be fine where it is at, though idk.)
Its moreso the japanese tanks are overtiered.
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He won’t pen because the KV-1 turret is volumetric hell. The turret ring is a TINY shot.
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Sue might do that but it is better than 6.0 to 8.0 is now
Do you want 86kph Souma SMs or 116kph AMX-50s?
I think not, my friend.
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I said certain tanks ,not all
Maus/T28/Tort and few more
No. Absolutely not. I’ve seen the table where it says that and it’s not German, it’s made by Americans, and it’s an estimate based on nothing but pure speculation.
Even using the concrete piercing shell the soviet 122mm gun can penetrate only about 100mm/30° of armour.
Normal HE is even less effective than this at directly perforating the armour.
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Damn. Didn’t realize this topic was still active. Guess the Counterargument has been doing a lot of good work. Keep it up Gentlelads.
Provided it isn’t a garbage city fight map where they rush your side while you sit there like a bump on a log for 30-60 seconds.
I would love to see honest predictions of where the Jumbos would belong if all currently lackluster munitions’ postpen were corrected, and if APHE was nerfed to its correct level.
The Jumbo 75 would have APCR penetrating up to 187mm vs flat plate, with postpen spall comparable to the current 17pdr or QF 77mm solid AP. APHE would still have a good bit of use even if it only pens around 100mm. I would place this thing no lower than 5.3, because even though that APCR would be terrifyingly strong, it’s still APCR and would fail miserably vs sloped armor. Possibly it would just remain where it is now at 5.7.
The Jumbo 76 would have APCR penetrating up to 248mm vs flat plate with identically large postpen spall. APHE with 150mm pen would still have plenty of useful scenarios. With the considerably better rounds, this would suddenly become quite competent at its 6.3 BR.
All APCR ingame is severely underperforming in penetration, as well as postpen. For reference, here’s how other guns in that range would fare:
- 88mm KwK36 PzGr40: 221mm
- 88mm KwK43 PzGr40/43: 305mm
- 75mm KwK42 PzGr40/42: 265mm
- 85mm BR-365P: 185mm
- 85mm BR-367P: 230mm
- 100mm BR-412P: at least 300mm, but info on this round is rather scarce.
- 90mm M304: 310mm
- 90mm M332: 390mm
- 90mm T44: 373mm
- 105mm T29E3: 381mm
- 120mm T17E1: 453mm
And don’t even get me started on some rounds which are outright missing…
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Huh? Well damn, I had no idea that was made-up. Now I feel like an idiot…
Then how can we realistically model how badly a direct hit by artillery-caliber rounds screws up a tank even if it doesn’t “penetrate” by conventional standards?
The current implementation of overpressure leaves much to be desired, sometimes it feels like a total coin toss whether the opposing tank dies or whether it goes poof like firing a wad of tissue paper. The intent of running all HE rounds through the current calculator was to mitigate that without requiring adding another complicated (and likely very bug-prone) system of armor degradation.