Tornado F3 with 4x Aim-9ls and 4x Skyflash STs, a better radar and more CMs is 12.0.
F-14A with 4x Aim-9Gs, 4x Aim-7, weaker radar and less CMs but a better FM, would easily be 12.0
im inclined to agree with axzuel.
I have yet to grind mine F-14A, but i have F-4S and as such im basing my assumptions on its performance.
The radar is essentially the same (front aspect PD), but F-14A gets TWS. Missiles bar phoenixes are the same, so is RWR and countermeasures count.
F-14A gets better flight performance, but it doesnt have HMD.
Id say 12.3 as of now is perfectly fine.
Btw, 54s doesnt change anything
Okay, skill check missile can hit suicidebomber once
You left out the part where the Aim-7Fs are vastly superior to the Supertemp aside from point blank shots. Also the FM difference is massive, the F-14A easily clears the Tornado.
STs are much better, they are better than Aim-7M (just)
F3 is faster, with a vastly superior radar, you should not be trying to turn fight in the F3
50/50
They are accelerating faster than 7F/M, but less maximum speed and (maybe) less total force
They should be 0.4 mach faster than Aim-7M and have greater range too as they have a longer burning sustainer motor (iirc)
interesting
At this point these seem to me like minor differences at best that would actually influence the BR of F-14A.
that said, it seems that most of us here currently agree that F-14A is fine at 12.3.
Yeah, it is just an interesting thought experiment for what impact the Aim-54s actually have on BR placement.
But overall, yeah the F-14A with its current loadout is likely fine at 12.3. If it was 12.7, it would without a doubt need Aim-9Ls
At which altitude?
In game supertemp have faster booster, which lasts for less tame than 7F/M. Same with sustainer
that i agree.
12.7 will be fine if ALR-67&TCS(full implementation, not like in wt) and other stuff added, so will be F-14A late.
With ALR-45 it will be not really good to play BVR, when in WVR you will die to first IRCCM IR missile
should. from what i’ve experienced in RB, the opposite is true. In fact, ST is inferior to 7F, a “worse” version of the 7M. In my experience, with the only mitigating factor being ST has better acceleration off the rails.
Definitely feels that way anyway.
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Unless u don’t have a good rwr like the mirage f1c or the j35xs both of which fight the f14 every game. Then ur shit out of luck?
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I disagree. Anything with gen 4 flight performance has no business meeting 11.3 planes. Even if you remove the 54, the F-14A should never get in the same match as a F4E.
Give it 9L, bump it to 12.7. Give 9M to the B, bump it 13.0.
7F and 7M have the exact same performance ingame.
No idea how the ST works tho, I’m working my way up to the Tornado F3 because I’m very curious about their performance. Can you hit 15-20km shots with them the same way the 7F can ? My biggest issue with the basic skyflash is how hitting anything past 8km is almost impossible.
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The MiG-23ML/D/A are pretty damn close to Gen 4 FM at 11.7. M2K also exists at 12.3. What I’m trying to say is that FM isn’t the only thing that matters when it comes to balancing.
The F-14A isn’t really 12.7 material without some additional tweaks. It doesn’t have all an aspect radar, no all aspect IR missiles, very outdated RWR, very slow acceleration (similar to Phantoms), and it has a very hot engine that makes even the R-60 sometimes feel like it has IRCCM.
Good idea
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Eh, since the nerf of the Mig23, I really don’t see them as 12.0+ materials. The FM nerf has been really harsh on the ML/A. The D is better but the radar nerf didn’t help.
And I also consider M2K undertiered by the way. Maybe not the S4 because the countermeasures nerf has been really harsh on it.
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I don’t consider the MiG-23MLs 12.0 material but its FM is still cracked as long as you know how to use manual swept wing. The nerf was only harsh if the wings were folded, if the wings are extended it still rates like crazy.
two planes suffer because of their disadvantages. Also, the J35 is overtiered.