if you have anything to justfy that statement i welcome it…also if they should be 12.7 because of the A2 then everything with 3bm60 should be 12.7(thats how your statement feels like)
The Abrams has the best firepower at top tier. Some of the best mobility, and perfectly acceptable Survivability
The only difference of note between the M1A1 HC, M1A1 Click-bait and M1A2 all at 12.0 and M1A2 SEP at 12.7 is optics.
But the 2A6 having a number of weaknesses below the 2A7 is 12.7 and the 2A5 is 12.3. largely in part because they have DM53, even though they have 6 second reloads vs the Abrams 5 seconds.
So again. Why should the M1A1 HC, Clickbait or M1A2 be 12.0 when they are superior to all other 12.0 MBTs and on-par or superior to tanks at 12.3 and 12.7.
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one hit and you cant shoot back no matter where you are shot…mobility you use to get to a position that offers you cover(hull down)…the only thing i would agree with you is the fire power…the only tanks you beat in terms of mobility are british tanks…everything else you are equal or slightly just slightly above
Oh no… that is basically every top tier MBT. Actually superior to more than a few, like the CR2s and Arietes
Which is still superior or equal to many.
i do believe challengers can use the commander override even if you loose the gunner and if you dont loose the horizontal drive…every other mbt with a modeled horizontal drive cant except russian tanks
68 km/h even lower acceleration for the 12.7 ones because the addon amour has become a necessity to have now
That is assuming you didnt get 1HK
yeah…i do agree with you that the firepower is okay but that still survivability is bad and mobility is average…i think if gaijin ever add a new round to the abrams it will only be the 12.7 ones and not the 12.0 ones…
and im of the opinion that the 12.0s should only have A1 not A2. And if they add one with A3 or A4 then it should be 13.0+ not 12.7 and it must be added alongside equivalents for other nations, such as DM73/DM83 for the various european nations that use them.
Id love to finally get a 12.7+ worthy MBT for Britian. CR3 with DM83 would be awesome. Would finally be an answer to the 2A7 and M1A2s
will be long before we see that…plus the difference is 29mm of pen…
I am of the opinion that the only tank in game right now that should have a high-penning round like M829A3 or DM63/73 is the C1 Arietes. They suck with no armor and poor mobility. They only do well in the hands of a greatly experienced player and even then they aren’t amazing. So it would be a great way to test the power of these shells without having it be necessarily an incredibly game breaking decision.
Yes. There are equivalent darts which can be added. :/
About this part, look at OP’s post
OP MENTIONED US ONLY, as usual complaint in this forum does.
Soviet gets X, so US need to get Y (ignores other 8 nations)
US gets X, so Soviets need to get Y
type of complaint.
If we all can get improvement, I might be fine
But I am dead tired of some US Mains who think only about US only.
Pff, lame communism framing. This isn’t the 1950s, Mr McCarthy.
Soviet has OP thing → Some US Main asks for Equivalent to counter them ‘exclusively’ → disagree about that because it will be eventually make me railed between soviets and americans.
→ somehow became russian main who want to defend precious soviet vehicle.
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i did forget to add adding other modern ammo for other nations to the original post but the bmpt rush and soviet armor rush is a little much yes the t series can still hold their own against a3 and other munitions that can be added to other nations but it would equal out the playing field for every nation to be more strategic on the ground aspect of things instead of the constant rush making teamplay more relied upon
The Abrams as is already dumpsters the T-80 swarm if the driver doesn’t suffer from skill issue.
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There is no point in just adding anti-era darts just for the USA. What about China, Japan, Germany, Sweden, the uk, Italy etc?
The actual solution is to enhance the era modelling so it’s less primitive. It should not give the same kinetic protection at zero degrees as at 90 degrees and yet it does in game. Make the angle count rather than a flat penetration reduction.
They would help hugely, after all armour angle counts, why doesn’t it count with era?
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DM 53 already is anti era.
Gajin even added that in the dev server at one point but then decided against it at the end, cause poor russia
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Sure, but the point is that a solution for one or two nations isn’t enough. By fixing the era rather than adding new darts to a couple of nations, everyone benefits apart from the Russians.
I also suspect the engine can’t manage the anti-era properties of the newer darts, while it could probably be changed to model it a better use of the time would be for a solution that benefits everyone.
Oh they just made the era less effective by a percentage.
No fancy tech behind it
Straight up borrow -A3 / -A4, or the relevant German round for the RH-120 and M256 use the same caliber so it wouldn’t be an unprecedented move, for example the XM800T has access to 20mm DM63 (is it similar to ?M601?)
There aren’t M829A3 equivalents. The closest is DM83, which is superior to the M829A4.
Optionally, they could give the A3 to other NATO tanks, as it is compatible with them.
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