Why add bmpt but still no m829a3 for U.S. 120 mm tanks to help combat new vehicle?

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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Not with that seeker.

funny how bmpt is balanced or other stuff vs non russian and how they quickly balance out western eq vs russian :)

who said anything about mmw? Why not do it like kh-38mt with it’s seeker which how it works and is interchangable STATED BY A “BROCHURE” info while others don’t get that privilege No real data about it what so ever but still they take the word fro granted which already means gaijin favors russians.

then why not do it for X years since they came out and russian get it while them don’t? What is the problem? specially after multiple reports?

Very bad aargument “i don’t have it so i denounce it” type…
while multiple more people claim they do so the balace of it is on the side of it is happening instead of not.

where is the balance then? have best spaa now have best ag missile while usa gets badly implemented Slammers …

evidence? look up you have a brochure etc but that only applies to russkies xDDDDD

you sound just like Alvis…

I wonder why hmmm oh yes i’ve got it you are a big russian main :)

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Dude, you’re trying to equate an amateur simulation video made by private individuals with guesswork numbers to the Army laboratory doing controlled testing and writing black on white the precise technical requirements needed for APFSDS to defeat Relikt-type ERA.

Are you trolling? What even…

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Not anyone say F5C should not delete ALE40
But many Russia bias enjoyer in defense of KH38

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There is, but it’s likely still classified.

Which is why both hard conclusions are foolish. There is simply not enough unclassified information to make any such conclusion.

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Other Nations like Germany have equivalents like DM63 / DM73…DM53 is already nerfed in-Game, Chinas DTC10-125 is also stronger IRL and 99B apparently has a new stronger Cannnon so they could add that. No idea about what UK/France or so have but i think they just use German Ammo too nowadays

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My point form the start. Maybe I didn’t explained good.

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Did you even read what i wrote or just qoted every paragraph and copy-pasted the samo old “mucH rusSian bias” bulletpoints?

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It is made to pen ERA, many get this wrong as they think the m829a3 gets way more penetration like upwards of 750-900mm but that is wrong.
The m829a3 actually (if estimated correctly) gets very small benefits when it comes to penetrating power compared to the m829a2, However the M829A3 is equipped with a solid steel tip (~100–152 mm long, with a engineered weak joint) which sacrifices itself against ERA so the rest of the sabot/penetrator can go cleanly through the armour.
The m829a2 was built on the emphasis of “raw power” while the m829a3 takes on armour in a more elegant way/smart way

Kinetic Energy comparison:
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→ Almost identical total energy. The extra 1 kg mass in the A3 perfectly offsets the ~120 m/s lower velocity.

Bending Stiffness (the real anti-ERA advantage):
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• A2 diameter ≈ 22 mm
• A3 diameter = 25 mm
• Ratio: (25/22)^4 \approx 1.67 → +67% bending stiffness
This is why the steel tip works: it detonates the ERA plates early, the weak joint shears it off, and the thicker main DU rod resists guillotining/bending far better than a monoblock rod.

Proof It Was Designed to Penetrate Relikt-Level ERA

Wikipedia (sourced from U.S. Army/ATK data):

“The M829A3 is a further improvement, designed to defeat any future armor protection methods like the newer Kaktus type, which was fitted on prototype tanks such as the Black Eagle tank, later developed into Relikt (ERA).”

The steel tip detonates the ERA early; the main DU rod finishes the job. Diameter increase gives 67% more resistance to bursting plates.

Below The Turret Ring / ATK patents:

“Such a penetrator design has a big benefit against targets protected by heavy ERA, which is what the main target of the M829A3 development was.” → +20–30% effective penetration vs heavy ERA arrays (Kontakt-5 or follow-on like Relikt).

Real-world mechanism (confirmed in every patent and analysis):

The tip acts like a mini-tandem charge against ERA. It triggers the explosive before the main rod arrives, so Relikt’s flyer plates only hit the sacrificial steel instead of deforming the sharp DU point. Without the tip, the A2 loses 20–30% penetration from tip blunting/guillotining. With the tip + thicker rod, the A3 retains far more residual performance.

A picture so it’s easier to visualize the steel tip against era
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And link to that video https://youtu.be/QKHhrZQHs2E?is=SMGilAUJrWV68A2h

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Are you reading?

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I genuinely don’t want any further NATO buff that may cause any further unbalanced situation since the RU tanks are “mid at best(according to some boys)”
GJN can make all nations competitive from the start…instead they got lost on the narrative to make the most hyper realistic game on the market…as you can see on the current balance - Not so much.
And also the point that when MONEY™ involved … we lost so many balanced BR to play - that said the only choice is to only play specific low BR range to have fun.

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Its not really realistic and Gaijin nerfs/buffs Vehicles against Realism in favour of balancing. Russia and some others wouldn’t even have an Top Tier if it was realistic. They have to buff Russian Vehicles and nerf NATO Vehicles to keep it balanced and so that everyone can have an Top Tier…but that creates issues with the ‘realistic’ part and people then thinking it is biased.

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Delete both and see who cry more bro.

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But the boys who defend RU capabilities thinks they were meant to be that good and told off others that has skill issues. That’s what ppl are upset about.

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holy rage bait

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12.0 is a guaranteed uptier every match to 12.7 why should they not keep the round…

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Lmao I dont have Russia higher than 8.0, I play Britain. M829A2 is the second best shell in the game at the moment stop crying.

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Why should they not be 12.7?

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Per the US military it can defeat ERA, relikt is ERA. The reason A4 was made was because A3 was not “Overmatch” versus ERA. Yes that means A3 will be defeated in SOME off angle instances of ERA+Armor due to how the flier plate and the delay of the ERA explosive works (bunch of math behind this).

A4 was made to completely defeat current and future ERA+Armor+APS in most if not all circumstances reliably.

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Bonus: a patent describing how a long rod with sacrificial tip (A3) defeats relikt style era

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I support this.

ALL NATO nations should be buffed properly to fight the bias.

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They can have equivalent darts too.

Its part of the improvement they can do to the US, since they received so many nerfs, that dart to counter the T80 swarm.

Or you want your precious T80s to stay with unpenetrable hull for years?

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