Fun fact all the abram’s after the first variant should have DU, like the M1A1 had DU in the gulf war and it was confirmed by the government. air only varies slightly in thickness and placement between the later variants.
My thinking is that they won’t add it because it would make the abram’s “too strong”. Which is fair I guess, but right now with their turret ring they are very weak frontally.
Also the upper front plate should deform shells not deflect them into the turret ring.
It wouldn’t be too strong imo, at least for M1A2s.
The maximum protection estimate I’ve seen is 600mm KE for the LFP with DU, so top tier rounds we currently have can still penetrate it.
The abrams LFP is a black hole anyway, I always aim for turret neck and breach, regardless of the tank or shell i am using against an abrams
The main problem with the Abrams is the neck tbh.
It’s way too weak, even autocannons can penetrate it.
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The AMV is 100% better than a challenger 2 but yeah the base ariete is easily the saddest MBT at top tier, could lose DM53 and go down to 11.3 tbh
But if the neck is made invulnerable then the abrams becomes virtually unkillable, i am all for it being improved but not totally impenetrable
At the very least it should be like around 200mm versus kinetic projectiles, which would make it immune to autocannon fire.
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It wouldn’t make it invincible, it would make it realistic and fair.
Edit:Sorry I mean if it was made accurate not if they made it unpenable
If fixed to about 200-350 KE then it would be fine, any higher and it becomes a volumetric shot-trap, any lower and it’s comedically bad
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While the document is a good indicator Iraq didn’t have any threat that would penetrate an M1 tank. 3VBK7 seems to be the most common round used and supplied to export customers who cheaped out on their T-72s. The round was perfectly serviceable against 2nd generation Western MBTs
They didn’t have access to any of the Soviet full tungsten or DU rounds.
Yes however the point of those was more of proof of the abram’s DU armor than the capability of it
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M1A1HAs have DU armour (which were deployed in the Gulf War), the standard M1A1 does not.
Honestly the VT-4A at least has decent protection (its still pretty bad protection for top tier but not as bad as something like the Challenger 2 or the Ariete) and an APS but an extreme lacking in the offense department (7.1 second autoloader with one of the worst rounds at top tier). I know the Chinese community has been very upset about the UFP and the ERA on it and honestly I don’t blame them. With something like the Leclerc’s at least you have a 5 second autoloaded reload with pretty decent rounds, but despite this the ariete is just sad.
The Ariete has a 5 second reload ONLY if you have an aced crew and unlike the leclercs and the type 10/TKX where sometimes you can take a shot to the turret without it penning miraculously, the Ariete can be penned in the turret cheek by something like a leo 2a4. It was so bad instead of Gaijin fixing it they instead added a 2a7 to Italy so they could just forget about all the issues with the Ariete (they also didn’t move it down after moving the Chally 3 down which shocked me). So with the 2a7 Italy certainly has a good top tier experience alongside the AH-129D and your choice between the Gripen, Eurofighter, F16ADF and the AV-8B for CAS, which is really good. Overall Italy’s top tier is no where near as bad with the Hungarian subtree as it was like a year ago.
China does definitely have the worst top tier though as much as some people hate to hear it. China was one of my first top tier nations and let me tell you it is not a lot of fun. For ground you get a pitiful 7.1 second reload on all your options, alongside a very outdated APFSDS that doesn’t really make up for the lack of reload. One benefit is that they’re really fast and good at flanking but this is heavily outweighed by the long reload and you’d be much better off in something like a TKX or Type 10. The armor is also just sad, with a massive LFP that pretty much results in a one shot every time you don’t have much going for you there. And with only -5 degrees of gun depression, staying hull down is not very realistic on most maps. The HQ-17 was a nice addition to China’s top tier but came in about 2 years too late and is still significantly worse than the pantsir. For heli’s you get the Z-19 and Z-10, both of which are not bad whatsoever but also not too special and are definitely outclassed by every other nations top tier helis (besides maybe Japan and Sweden). And for CAS you are the worst off for any nation by a pretty large margin, having no 12.7 besides the J-11a which does not have any guided weaponry.
Overall the top tier China experience is much worse off than something like Italy or France now that they have leopards (and France has the Rafale which absolutely destroys GRB). For the most part I don’t think there is a “bad” top tier nation right now, however there are ones that aren’t as good as the others like China and Israel. But MBT wise China is definitely the worst off currently out of any nation.
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I was rereading it and a key thing it says is “there was no penetration of DU armor by iraqi fire”. There are different ways to take this but one way is that the Iraqi military had some/few stronger APFSDS shells that had been able to penetrate the non upgraded M1A1s but failed to do so for the heavy variants. However it could also mean there was no penetration of the abram’s armor in general which then disproves what I said above about them haveing a stronger APFSDS.
what do you think HA stands for.
For some reason I thought you said weren’t, i’m sorry that one is on me. Like i’m generally sorry for being rude.
However it is a the same abram’s correct just with an added armor package. Meaning it could in theory come to the game as a modification like the chicken wire armor of the stryker, or the mine protection on some higher teir tanks.
There’s only one reason to bring Chinese helicopters
It’s also the reason they were up BR’d to oblivion. Used to be available on much funner line-ups.
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Yeah but they nerfed the seeker on the TY-90 in what I assume was preparation for adding the PL-8B but didn’t so now it’s not as busted as it used to be. The AKD’s are fine, nothing special basically a hellfire thats slower.
I never had fun playing in China
7.1s and defense are very poor, with no major advantages except for 75km/h
Since I played 122 a few days ago, I’ve been getting happier and happier
The ability to defend and survive with a high angle cannon barrel and shield is something that China’s top MBT cannot experience
Translation may have deviations :)
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