how so?
I voted Challenger 2 for reasons
First of all, Italian have choice not to pick that shit and they have 2A7 for them to pick i know ariete suck (experience it firsthand) but now they have a choice to go for 2A7 which better
same go as France undeserve Leopard 2
Brits stuck with Challenger 2 with no other choice
that different
Are you talking about the challenger 5km kill or whatever it was?
If so, the uk has special rings that negate the spin imparted from the rifling of the barrel so it comes out of the barrel just like a smooth bore.
If you’re not talking about that, I’d be curious to learn what you are referring to.
The HESH round impacted the berm the T-55 was using to protect it’s hull the secondary round was an L23A1 FIN round which also missed until finally the 3rd shot another FIN round impacted the T-55 destroying it.
“On 26 February 1991, a Challenger 1 under the command of Captain Tim Purbrick of the 17th/21st Lancers attached to the Queen’s Royal Irish Hussars, destroyed an Iraqi T-55 tank at a range of 3600 metres, followed soon after by a petrol tanker at a range of 4700 metres using L23A1 APFSDS”
I find it funny that everyone portrays a rifled gun being incapable
I corrected it before you responded because I took someone’s word at face value that it was a hesh but never double checked it until you responded to me.
Then I went to go look the story up to be sure. That said, I was not incorrect about the dart. The UK uses slip rings to negate the spin imparted from rifling.
So the rifling is indeed irrelevant to the dart, because even the British try and negate the rifling from their gun on the dart. It is not spinning super fast from rifling as you said.
It tried to emulate a smooth bore fired round, because the twist rate of the barrel ain’t nearly enough to create a spin rate high enough to spin stabilize a dart. At that point, the fins would then create a negative effect on the dart and slow it down.
Because darts aren’t designed to spin, thats what the sabot jacket is for, however for less conventional rounds like HESH it’s better to have the rifling effect for accuracy compared to smoothbore HE/AMP rounds.
Besides I think that the brits should dump their rifled L/30A1s in favour of L/55 (as seen on the CR3)
I have said all of this all of this already. It’s above in a different conversation with someone else.
It was litterly using fin stabilized amunition, waht are u talking about
Of course I am aware they negatively impact a Darts performance but people not you make out a rifled gun is a such a huge handicap when compared with the smoothbore alternatives.
The biggest issue Britain have is they didnt manufacture single piece ammo for the L30 limited the length and velocity of any kinetic penetrator and the increase in maintenenace for a rifled barrel
Damn. I just noticed I must have unlocked and purchased the Black Night in the past, but have zero games in it. This topic isn’t giving me any motivation to take it out for a spin, lol.
I have had my CR1 ready to purchase for the best part of 2 years, absolutely no motivation to touch britain further than the Chieftan mk10 at this point.
A CR2 armour buff would have me finishing the tree in a week or two, but right now, my focus is on japan
Can’t blame you there. That’s a solid tank. I do recommend Britain 10.7, as a good line-up, though. Vickers Mk.7 with Chally Mk.3 + your choice of SPAA (aka Strela), Lynx/G-Lynx, and CAS. I heard the Desert Warrior is a bit of a let down, but I haven’t bothered grinding it out to give my opinion on it, just yet. British 10.7 (was 10.3 line-up when I played it last, got moved up with decompression) is how I ground out Chally 2s.
The AMV Ariete was rushed into the game based on just two photos of the first prototype, driven by user impatience for something new. Waiting a few months to propose the finalized prototype would have been a better approach. The PT3 proposal was eventually made but has yet to be implemented.
Over the years, developers have never balanced the Ariete variants’ armor, relying instead on speculative abstractions about its weight and presumed protection. Since the vehicle’s armor details are classified, no evidence can be provided to challenge their assumptions. This has left players in a paradoxical situation where sensitive data would be needed to correct a design based purely on imagination.
The Ariete could simply be rebalanced with medium-level armor compared to other MBTs. The same applies to the War Kit, which retains its “air” armor despite weighing several tons. While originally designed as a light and fragile vehicle with the most powerful APFSDS in the game, this philosophy is now outdated as the game has evolved significantly.
Key issues remain unaddressed. At the very least, developers could add the finalized prototype with improved add on armor and a 12.7mm machine gun, renaming the current AMV as Prototype 1. Otherwise, the AMV remains little more than a light tank, in stark contrast to additions like the Hungarian Leopard 2A7.
They can add WAR kit without changing it into later prototypes, although it’s useless until they fix its protection, 5.5 t of “heavy air” joke is too old imao.
PS Not really a players fault, there was a photo of PT1 equipped with both WAR and PSO which appeared before the introduction of this tank into the game, they just decided to make it “more unique”.
no. it would not be the best tank.
But the poll is asking you about one specific MBT that you think is the worst, it’s not about the whole experience of a tech tree, so i’d say Italians having the 2A7 is irrelevant. I could argue Israel has the worst MBT because the entire tech tree top tier experience is so bad, but again, thats irrelevant. Ariete AMV is hands down, the WORST MBT in the game as of now.
sadly gaijin doesn’t take any actual recorded account as proof, because well, its gaijin.
It’s not a criticism, but the implementation of the current AMV was based on a specific suggestion. Now, it wouldn’t have taken much to realize that a ariete without additional armor and a machine gun wasn’t a great deal in exchange for just more horsepower.
Gaijin probably sat down and looked at how to improve the Ariete - put it in the ‘too hard’ basket and just added the Leopard 2A7 to the tree, instead. I wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t even on their to-do list now.
I play Italy and I voted for Chally 2, both have paper armour for top tier, but at least Ariete has the mobility to be actually useful and 18 rounds ready-rack instead of the miserable 4 round ready rack of the Chally 2.
I finally played recently the Leo2A7HU, and I achieved pretty much the same K/D as in the Ariete AMV, so that kinda shows the Ariete AMVisnt as bad as it would seem at first glance.
So I would say the AMV after its 5sec reload buff and high HP/ton ratio is a underrated vehicle since now its more comparable to a Type90 or Leclerc with DM53 in terms of gameplay instead of being a Leopard with IFV armour back when it had 6sec reload
Now IF Ariete PSO or vanilla Ariete where in this pool, I would had voted for them, since they dont have the engine upgrade, making them almost as sluggish as the Chally 2
Gaijin simply does not use enough common sense when it comes to modeling post cold-war era vehicles, IMO.
When the VT-4A1 first came out, the protection of it was 100% identical to the MBT-2000 before backlash on the Chinese forums made Gaijin “fix” it, but even now it is still underperforming to irl.
MBT-2000 is a 90s era design while VT-4 began development in the late 2000s. I would expect VT-4 to use better composite materials.
Also, things like the 2A7 having worse hull armor than the Strv 122s, which frankly doesn’t really make sense.
The latest Abrams having the same LFP protection as the earliest M1, and so much more.