Hilarious that before the most recent conflict a tank with a rifled barrel had the longest recorded tank kill. With a dart that was spinning so fast and dangerously out of control it was a miracle it hit…
Problem with the rifled/smoothbore argument is they exaggerate the negative effects.
Smoothbore is seen as the sniper rifle/so precise and the rifled barrle is the primitive flintlock musket.
I digress but it always makes me laugh
funny enough, the musket is smoothbore and sniper rifle … rifle
Inverted in firearms design, basically
That was my point, yes, and I added onto that by mentioning that many carry that belief over to Chinese tanks, hence why you don’t see many people think of the ZTZ-99 and VT-4s as “bad”, when they are fighting with the Chally 2s for that worst spot.
I voted VT-4, but I don’t really believe it is worse than the worst Chally 2 in this game from a gameplay stand point. More a protest that they’ve botched the specs on the VT-4 and it should actually be better than it is in-game. Chally 2 is mediocre IRL, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see it making this list. Having a tank be added to the end of a tree with specs that make no sense for what it should be is always getting my vote. And it is why many people in the Chinese community are very frustrated - the tree has been sabotaged multiple times since its inclusion and they probably suspect that’s what is happening here. Though, I’m obviously no Chally 2 expert, so maybe they face a similar issue (apart from missing spall liners) about the current specs seen on the various Chally 2s ingame.
Aren’t you saying the same thing?
Russian vehicles aren too unbalanced in 2020+, and many western players think Russian and China are eastern countries using similar vehicles, so they think Chinese vehicles are same strong like Russian ones without actually playing them.
I know there’s someone will say that…
Huh? He’s referring to when the balance was clearly in the favour of the T-80BVM, before they added Leopard 2A6/2A7, better rounds, etc. There was an actual unbalance claim to be made prior to their additions. Now the balance is clearly in favour of Germany, although they all have similar winrates, but ignorant people act like the times have never changed. Just like how ignorant one must be to assume USSR / China - same - same. Actually - playing China is a good gauge of how nations are doing and what MBTs are good or not, because you have to face just about everyone, including USSR.
As an Australian, I pity any other Westerner who hasn’t given either of these trees a go.
I suffer with no thermals so badly.
It has thermals.
Both the Somua and the AMX-30 Super are some of the best around. Worth the $$$.
Someone gets it ;)
Anyone who doesnt vote Ariete is just biased towards their main nation imo.
I dont even play Italy and i pity the players who play any Ariete MBT, it’s just sad.
Also works on Western TTs.
Once I saw a dicussion on Tieba, about is it reasonable for the new Wiki only accept who have played the vehicle to rate it. Though some players think they could know a vehicle with only versus them, most of the players think it’s necessary. For example, you would know Type 10 have 4s/r autoloader or CR2BN have APS that can destroy sabots, but you won’t found Type 10 is really easy to penerate or CR2BN have such bad mobility.
Sadly most players are country mains, cause it’s harder and harder to get the top BR vehicles as more vehicles are added to the TT. This makes less players would know about all vehicles, and new players would care about these top tier vehicles on the community cause they afraid what they get is a trash, even they not really joined a top tier battles yet.
If you think a preset is best should consider CAS, Heli, SAM and more, Russian is still have one of the strongest preset cause Kh-38s, Pantsir, Vikhrs and more.
Also, the you in what you quoted is plural form.
I believe that most people have basically never played vt4a1, vt4a1 has a slow start, I think his maneuver is similar to Merkava, one is fast in reverse, one is fast in forward, but there are many problems with vt4a1, his head can’t bear it, sometimes his APS doesn’t take effect, he doesn’t have a depression angle, and the most terrible thing is his loading, Do you know how painful it is for me to go around to the back of the enemy because the reload takes 7.1s to kill at most one, and even they can slowly swing their heads and turn around to kill VT4, and it is almost impossible to ricochet on the head of VT4, most of them can’t be carried, and there are still ammunition racks inside, when 7.1s are fired, when your ammunition rack is not detonated by the enemy’s counterattack but damaged, you can retreat and even if it is the trump card, you have to repair 20s+7.1s reloading
Is it hard to get to top-tier? I don’t agree. As long as you have a premium account it’s all easy, and you’ll be picking what nation to play next soon enough, if people are willing to give other nations a go. Granted, not everyone has the time available to play often and to grind too much, but I don’t think it’s just these people that haven’t had a chance to grind others. There are some pretty prominent complainers on this forum that have been playing this game a long time, but only play a single nation while crying about others. Whether people want to admit it or not, there are plenty of nationalists in this game thinking they’re representing their nation. Like they’re serving their country by playing War Thunder.
Never said it isn’t. I agree. I’d love to have an SU-34 type CAS available to the Chinese tree. But it’s not as biased towards the USSR/Russian tree as people go on and on about on these forums and Reddit.
Some people may say that the T90M, T72B3 are also 7.1s loading, but their side has covered fossil explosive reactive armor, when they are also penetrated the course angle or side, the fossil + loader can protect the members, when I play VT4A1 in the front by the Cougar cannon through the driver’s hatch, I know that this car has almost no survivability like the Ram tank, or like most MBTs in China, it is basically doomed to death after being hit by the first shot, such a fragile tankUnlike Ram, the Challenger doesn’t have a depression angle, which means it’s basically impossible to hide his fragile hull
how so?
I voted Challenger 2 for reasons
First of all, Italian have choice not to pick that shit and they have 2A7 for them to pick i know ariete suck (experience it firsthand) but now they have a choice to go for 2A7 which better
same go as France undeserve Leopard 2
Brits stuck with Challenger 2 with no other choice
that different
Are you talking about the challenger 5km kill or whatever it was?
If so, the uk has special rings that negate the spin imparted from the rifling of the barrel so it comes out of the barrel just like a smooth bore.
If you’re not talking about that, I’d be curious to learn what you are referring to.
The HESH round impacted the berm the T-55 was using to protect it’s hull the secondary round was an L23A1 FIN round which also missed until finally the 3rd shot another FIN round impacted the T-55 destroying it.
“On 26 February 1991, a Challenger 1 under the command of Captain Tim Purbrick of the 17th/21st Lancers attached to the Queen’s Royal Irish Hussars, destroyed an Iraqi T-55 tank at a range of 3600 metres, followed soon after by a petrol tanker at a range of 4700 metres using L23A1 APFSDS”
I find it funny that everyone portrays a rifled gun being incapable
I corrected it before you responded because I took someone’s word at face value that it was a hesh but never double checked it until you responded to me.
Then I went to go look the story up to be sure. That said, I was not incorrect about the dart. The UK uses slip rings to negate the spin imparted from rifling.
So the rifling is indeed irrelevant to the dart, because even the British try and negate the rifling from their gun on the dart. It is not spinning super fast from rifling as you said.
It tried to emulate a smooth bore fired round, because the twist rate of the barrel ain’t nearly enough to create a spin rate high enough to spin stabilize a dart. At that point, the fins would then create a negative effect on the dart and slow it down.
Because darts aren’t designed to spin, thats what the sabot jacket is for, however for less conventional rounds like HESH it’s better to have the rifling effect for accuracy compared to smoothbore HE/AMP rounds.
Besides I think that the brits should dump their rifled L/30A1s in favour of L/55 (as seen on the CR3)
I have said all of this all of this already. It’s above in a different conversation with someone else.
