No but ones a major and the other is a minor orc the minor will have better players on average but thanks for your entirely useless comment.
Look at the tags before you commit those precious fingers
read the message the guy wrote before you write that. Im it would have been applicable if he at least played RB. I believe he never even added that tag himself
so then how does that “winrate means anything” applies?
Its literally that winrate is irrelevant in terms of techs specifications.
Yeah he asks for a tier list of ground top tier nations. Together with the realistic tag you’ll get a list that covers all aspects of ground realistic. Not that much of a surprise. If he wants a tank based list then he should ask for that or put on the right tags, you can’t expect everyone to check the dudes stats before answering.
Because there are 2 other majors you can compare Germany to? And you can still compare winrate changes from month to month? You just can’t compare 2 tech trees where one has 10 times the playrate of the other
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So then, how do you decide if Italy is worse? In any way, comparing it even with other minors, its better even than Japan. Does that mean…
I dont understand how one can use that logic.
tho i see where that could come from, i dont follow same logic as he never expressed interest in anything but specifically ground forces. Even if it was for GRB, if he never uses the aircrafts those terms are simply unjust. You say USSR is better as it has Kh38s, but the guy never will use them so you just misled him to grinding one of the worst top tier tanks. As example. Thats what i mean when i say “you dont see around you”. You just didnt dive deep enough into the problem before making a solution.
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You don’t. Some minors don’t have enough playdate to really influence the winrates but majors do.
If you go by the tags then you could say something similar. „You say Germany is the best but you’ve just led him to grinding a tree that gets obliterated by CAS in top tier.“
Yes I didn’t statcheck him and instead went by the tags on this thread. Mea culpa.
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So then we consider that Ariette is as good if not better than 2a7v? Because we cant compare it because italians tend to play better because there are less of them?
I think this logic is broken in its core.
fair enough. THo they still own best SPAA so its a question why they get so.
Well i didnt even notice tags. But i judged from that he never said anything about CAS and only answered about grounds. So thats how i made my decision. And then later i got surprised he only plays arcade, but that made alot of sense to me.
No we don’t, because it has worse stats despite being played a lot less
Because LDIRCM helis are the big problem which the Iris t is similarly bad at dealing with as other top tier spaa
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well not that. All ariete has better stats than 2pl, 2a5 and 2a6, and have similar stats to german 2a7v, at least in GRB on january xD
no shit. Helis were a problem from day 1
Grinding sweden with leopard 1a5no2, saab 105g, t54. This is hell
You keep talking about the Ariette, which isn’t all that great. But you ignore the Leopard 2A7HU. Which is the currently best Leopard 2 in game. Convenient.
The % difference in Arcade, usually is at the lower BRs. Where the big three all have fairly bad/low win rates because most players start out there. As long as the big three have similar win rates they’re somewhat balanced. The issue arises is when they diverge, wildly. And once they hit top tier, unless they bought some. The average player has achieved a level of “respectable incompetence”, as this does take time and effort.
And no, I disagree. You keep bringing up older Leo 2 versions. Which get progressively worse. Hell the Leopard 2 PL shouldn’t even be as high as it is. They moved it up and away from the Canadian one whom it prior shared a BR with with minimal changes. Both have subpar armor too.
And having “More” Leo 2s doesn’t fix the general issue they suffer from. You can just spawn more fodder for LMURs, KH38MT and the American version of those. None of them can deal with the LDIRCM helis in any way shape or form and are basically helpless. You are equating “more” with “better”.
The nations without LDIRCM helos got screwed, especially with the unrealistic implementation we currently see. Those with gained quite a bit in % win rate, while those without dropped. Those who have SPAAs with radar lock who can in theory shoot them down once again do better than those relying on IR seekers too.
I dont agree with politics of “italy isnt bad because single 2a7”. Italian 2a7 isnt much better than german, so it making 5% difference in winrate is possible only if germans are just bad players
I only showed the difference at higher brs.
so ariette is better than leopards, even older ones?
which still are superior to most nations. Offering better protection or cannon
So italy doesnt suffer from LMUR and Kh38s?
i am equating tanks with tanks. As you count “betterness” by winrate, i call you out on that.
If the RB winrate can be described as “because Kh38 and LMUR”, still somehow Italy has 15%!!! more winrate than Germany, while still playing against USSR, the arcade isnt related to that issue and it still has a difference. That makes judging by winrate irrelevant to the issue of “which ground forces is better”. And prior to that queston, the amount of great tanks IS one of the selling points.
Currently, the most popular choice among beginners is Russia, and the sales of the US gift packs are also higher than those of Germany. However, their winning rates remain normal, with only Germany having a very low win rate. Discussing a certain group having a lower rate than another group in millions of game data is a form of discrimination. Not all players are like you who only play games from certain countries.
Currently, the most popular choice among beginners is Russia, and the sales of the US gift packs are also higher than those of Germany. However, their winning rates remain normal, with only Germany having a very low win rate. Discussing a certain group having a lower rate than another group in millions of game data is a form of discrimination. Not all players are like you who only play games from certain countries.
The situation that the Leopard 2 is facing is extremely dire. Many people only focus on its thick turret armor and the DM53 system, so they think it is strong. However, it lacks equipment such as laser warning systems, active defense systems, and most of them only have low-resolution thermal imaging. To be honest, I have all the ace Leopard 2 members’ teams, but in the current version, I choose China and Japan.
Current most played rank 1 reserve in arcade is German, even so its one of the worst rserves. Its direct implication that newbies choose Germany more often.
In the RB the reserves shuffle, the most played is USSRs BT-5, but the difference is 5k played games, not 150k.
Germany remains being the most picked up newbie country
Tho judging by the premium packs, your POW also has some logic under it. But judging by premiums has some validation disadvantage as premium battles differ very much every month, depending on which country got anything new or which premium is newer.
their winrate wasnt consistent whatsoever. October 2025 is when their winrate got even lower than nowaday`s and there were no patches that somehow made their tanks worse. Still they manage to drop or raise it once several month, and it may or may not be connected to other tree’s mains playing germany to get something new that got added and leaving after.
No, its constatation of facts.
huh?
You mean you play games from some other countries? Like, idk, Saudi Arabia, or Iran?
Because as i know my steam lib contains games from france, italy, sweden, US, Russia, China, Japan, Korea, ect.
This is a talk top tir post
this has nothing to do with newbies?
Yeah but once those reserve tiers hit top tier they arent newbies anymore so the only way your theory works if only Germany players suffer from arrested development throughout their entire tech tree grind.
That might be true but in the entirety of 2025 and 2026 so far Germany has not been once the most played premium. Its always russia by or the US in 2 or so months. In January 2026 half of the 10 most played premiums were russian for example
Unintentionally funny typo
Furthermore, the number of Swedish players is far less than that of Chinese and Japanese players, and is only comparable to that of Italians. This doesn’t seem like a country that new players would choose, but its winning rate is only 46%.
Then why did you say that there are a large number of new players in Germany, which leads to a low overall winning rate? Didn’t you first say that there are a lot of new players among the top players in Germany?
Well it is also true. Tho as much as the rumors are around the community, german mains either ARE suffering from this, or after reaching tiger 1 go buy premium Leopard
Well there were months when Germany was 2nd played nation, but i must agree, by premiums they arent the most picked nation at least for a year now.
ah XD im sorry, that happends sometimes.
Thats from a lack of SPAA as much as i can tell. Tho Germans have the best and their winrate is even lower :/
I meant general amount of newbies. They are spread througout the BRs tho as there are many machines newbies want to touch. But yes, the last year Germany is not the main newbie nation. WHich only leads to quersioning if they play so bad because dont learn throughtout the tree, or their techs is bad.