how does that even make sense when Hungary is in the game ?
Or A-H should be separated, and Hungarian-built bluewater, coastal vessels and submarines should go to the Hungarian subtree while Austrians go to Germany, that literally does not need any of it ?
The Austro-Hungarian navy and river monitors should be in the Hungarian subtree. This solution makes the most sense instead of senslessly dividing its content between nations or outright denying the Hungarian subtree its vessels, giving it all to Germany.
Wherever possible I’d realistically prefer they do a “Pan european” style tree where vehicles that are somewhat unique (not 1:1 copypasta with a name change and new coat of paint) and fit together thematically (minimal mixing of WP and NATO vehicles in the same lineup) from multiple nations are grouped together.
Something like Czechia, Poland, etc get to stick together and have a lineup of their more interesting tech, and India gets their own area shared with some SEA nations to pad out things they can’t provide.
Under no circumstances should the USA, USSR or UK get a subtree/second subtree. The USA and USSR have more than enough stuff to fill a tree multiple times over. Subtrees for them are unnecessary.
The UK does not need to become “The best top BR aircraft from everyone” tree that makes grinding USSR/France/USA and etc unnecessary. That is both a very poor idea in terms of balance, fairness and most importantly monetization.
Seriously, imagine getting access to every top BR aircraft with a one-time investment into a single high BR premium in one tree. That’s a terrible idea. Gaijin would be intentionally shooting themselves in the foot with that.
But Austria-Hungary was aligned with Germany at the time and Austro-Hungarian vehicles that already exist are in the German tree, while Italy was on the side of the Entente. And Polish content is divided between at least two different nations. Are Austrian and Hungarian vehicles from that era really that extricable?
That would be important only if one of the Dual Monarchy wouldn’t be a subnation in-game.
Which ones?
I don’t see how this is relevant, as the Hungarian subtree would be the home of these vessels. Not to mention, some of the ships were awarded to Italy post war.
Well there is no Polish subtree is there? And only the Polish used western equipment is divided between other nations.
At least the Hungarian-built vessels have to be in the Hungarian subtree. I mean for Christ’s sake, if something is built in Hungarian shipyards, it should be Hungarian in-game. And what about vessels that were joint effort? Like the Ersatz would have been?
I don’t see why Germany would need these vessels, when one half of the Monarchy is already in game as a sub nation .
The BTR-82 is crap. It’s not even worth considering with such horrible performance and capabilities (playing it is even worse). It would have somewhat better performance around 8.0, where MBTs are light lateral, but not at 7.3, where can’t penetrate a Tiger 2 sideways at close range.
Japan and South Korea have non to barely any military connection, asking South Korea to be there is simple asking for freebies.
Japan has alternative options which they actually have connection with because they sold arms to them.
The US is logical location but is in no need for a subtree and South Korea offers too much vehicle to just throw it away as a sub.
a lot of their unique stuff has an open spot in the US tree
K1/K2 sidegrade and/or upgrade to Abram (whole line open for this)
FA-50/T-50 as advanced light armed trainer/combat aircraft (no US equivalent)
F-15K sidegrade to F-15E (foldered)
I really don’t see how the U.S. has need of a subtree at all, pretty much anything they could ever want has or can be produced domestically, in prototype or production form.
The T-50 may not have a direct equivalent as of the moment, but it may in the future with the T-7 Red Hawk, and it’s not something the tree is in dire need of anyways.
Hence why I said “in the future”
And yes, the F-15K is a possibility for event tender but I would still prefer it doesn’t get added that way until we know that South Korea won’t be getting a tree/subtree of sorts. I would’ve liked an Iranian tree of sorts but with their top fighter now as an event vehicle it basically confirms that they won’t be getting one and thus further Iranian vehicles can also end up as events for other nations. For South Korea I still have hope.
Open spots the US can fill with their own unique stuff.
Yes, they have vehicles based on US stuff but some are looking vastly different from the original design.
However these vehicles were neither intended or used by the US but instead are build based on South Korean requirements. Like when did US shown interest in the FA-50 or K1?
The US is in no need of a sub and if so then Saudi Arabia would be more suitable as they don’t offer much unique vehicles but still own a lot of US stuff.
South Korea can be it’s own thing with North Korea which will provide tons of vehicles then just being limited to 15 vehicles.
Genuinely surprised I’ve seen so little people mention it, its probably the best way the Baltic vehicles to get in game outside of a conglomerate eastern/central European tree.
Outside an independent tree, it would make the most sense, although there’s the issue of slotting a decent size of unique vehicles/mods into a all around strong tree.
Quite an interesting proposal, I’m assuming the subtrees with rank 1 options would be researchable from the get go?
Tbh, I personally would take it a step further and slot all of India with Israel, that way Israel has a less malnourished tree and India has more of it’s unique vehicles added (plus they act as a nice counter balance to eachother with India using more modified eastern equipment vs Israel using more modified western vehicles).
That is a cool idea, but mostly it would be copy pastes of the USSR variants. At most they would be event vehicle/squadron vehicle research (for example the BMP-23).
Same goes for Air, I think the only indigenous designs (off the top of my head) were the Uzounov-1 (copy of the DFW C.V) and the DAR 2 (copy of the Albatros C.III).
Though, I personally don’t know how good of a subtree/event vehicles tree this would be, especially considering that Bulgaria mostly utilized German airplanes and tanks during WW2, then USSR/Soviet designs during the Cold War and now is utilizing legacy Soviet Equipment (though modernized) and Western/NATO equipment (Do we want the USSR to have an F-16V (if that variant ever gets added))
Tl;dr, Bulgaria would only add 1-2 vehicles in the entirety of the USSR TT.
