And gaijin is adding the first aesa radar to game this update so that argument is out now 🤣
LMAO what are you talking about, how hilariously uninformed.
China has more than done their part to catch up to the west in all fields of aviation, they are advancing at a far more exponential rate than even america is currently, this rate of improvement applies to their Avionics (AESA sets) and AAMs.
Both J-10A and JAS-39A are 4th gens, the gripen doesn’t become a 4.5th gen until JAS-39NG, whereas the J-10B is arguably china’s first 4.5th gen, so in terms of continuity and timeline, china as sweden are on PAR by your standards of ranging by date
Jaktlink is nothing to scoff at, but nothing like the universal standard of Link 16 and now Link 22, now China is well into the development of EW systems, including their own tactical DL and is deploying some sort of system in their J-20/J-16/J-15 and possibly J-10 fleet, and moreso to this point they are already well known for the use of TDL in their naval vessels, to the extent that it’s practically jam resistant and adapts to situation development/escelations (will be able to survive a nuke/EMP essentially)
Not even relevant given that in a 10th of the time that they have been developing aircraft compared to russia, they have already surpassed Russia’s best models in at least the following fields:
ECM and EW tech
AESA/PESA radars
Use of advanced Composites and RAM
Use of long range hypersonic missiles
Use of extremely long range BVRAAM (PL-15/PL-21)
Use of advanced avionics which surpass those on Su-35S sent to china for testing/evaluation
Use of RCS reductions (including RAM coating previously mentioned)
Use of More efficient domestically produced engines
And more intricate avionics/logistics/airframe changes.
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If, big if, they truly are “surpassing western technological standards” they don’t have enough aircraft in numbers for that to shine; let alone the sheer amount being phased out of service, and the very few 4 and “5” gen fighters.
I still don’t believe they hold a candle even close to the US in abilities alone.
Never claimed that, just stated that China’s rate of military expansion is larger than anyone else in the world currently, and they plan to keep going, quantity will eventually win over quality
Can you do some research before visiting this topic again, at their current production rate, china is predicted to overtake the US in numbers of 5th gens (Between J-20/J-35) by 2030, as they are producing roughly 75 J-20s yearly and are adding even more with the production of J-20S and J-35A
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Yes, that’s true, but their “military expansion” is just military tech, for god sake, they still operate J-7’s and ZTZ-59’s (both early Cold War weapons) that “growth” is simply inflated because they’ve been required to upgrade to remain “a global super power”
I refer back to my last point, please do some research, I can understand that you are an American and may have a conformation bias but that is no reason to spread misinformation
Okay, that’s lovely, a jet that’s relatively cheap, has no proven abilities, and is unknown if it’s truly a threat, while your forgetting that NATO together, in F-35’s alone, would far surpass them.
“Conformation bias” doesn’t exist, it’s fairy dust, an idea in the wind. I’m not going off of some US Government propaganda theory, I’m going off of publicly available statistics and sources, that aren’t even from US entities, I’m literally doing the exact opposite of:
I’m perfectly aware, my nation recently purchased a batch of F-35As to replace our F/A-18C fleet but that statement itself is ignoring the fact that most of America’s allied f-35 operators have no feasible way of doing combat with china, limiting the vailidity of the statement in the given context
JASDF and ROKAF are 100% capable, you also forget that, even if the J-20 is stealthy, and has difficulties with being spotted with radar, RWR can give you warning, source, rough distance, once you shake that, data linking systems keep your planes aware of that location and can effectively retaliate. Don’t even bring up IR missiles, because they are only thesible in visual range, which is an easy counter.
The J-7s were retired a while ago and I also believe they don’t use the ZTZ59 as well, I know for a fact you got that from Wiki as it’s present there lmao.
Those previously operated J-7s were pretty modernised as well, I also should mention they weren’t frontline fighters.
Go take your cope elsewhere
I still don’t believe they hold a candle even close to the US in abilities alone
You clearly lack any form of knowledge on Chinese fighters such as the J-20 and J-16 series of aircraft, put the fries in the bag 🙏.
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You mean the I wanna be a F-22 when I grow up and the We put better composite materials in our plane like the MiG-29 didn’t do that in the 1970’s? I don’t think that even if they really are better fighters the sheer number/quality ratio of pilot quality and fighter quality on new and very unproven designs, not to mention the massive tactical advantage of stealth bombers like the B-2 and B-1.
I’m sorry, but using Gen-alpha slang on a forum of mostly adult males is kinda insane
It doesn’t matter what you think, just look at whether the United States is as brutal as it did to China in the past to know if the United States thinks China is their adversary. If you think that China is still a country full of J-7s and ZTZ59s, then I am satisfied, which means that there is another American who is stubborn and refuses to admit reality. As long as there are a little more people like you in the Pentagon, we can be stronger. Please spread the word that China is a country composed of backward weapons!
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The number of F-15EX is not even as large as the number of 055 destroyers, laugh at me. It’s actually quite good to immerse yourself in the past, and the hollowing out and monopoly of a country’s industry will also produce these problems in the United States.
J-20 like all stealth fighters has electro optical targeting system and IR search and track so it doesn’t necessarily have to turn its radar on, advanced IRST and EOTS systems can already detect bearing range and altitude to within a high enough degree of accuracy to guide a medium range missile on to target well enough for it to go pitbull and guide itself. Stealth aircraft are all designed to be highly capable even without the use of radar
Shall we just assume for arguments sake that the J-20 is in fact stealthy, radar cross sections are not known but the Chinese have a huge military budget, if any single nation other than the US has the funding to design a stealth aircraft it would be the Chinese
They aren’t though, they have jets like the J-10 and J-11, and tanks like the ZTZ-96 and MBT-2000, I don’t get what you mean, they have other equipment, but not too long ago, majority of the fleet was aging.
There are eight 055’s, correct?
The 14th is already under construction, and the 9th to 11th are already undergoing outfitting work.
If you mean the ones that can be put into operation, then it is indeed 8 ships.