Yeah me too. The new SAMs deserve some ARM to be countered.
Yeah but we might see some early prototype 5th gens by the end of 2026. Maybe MiG 1.44/1.42, YF-23, T-50, X-32, etc.
Top tier was 10.3, not 11.3:
2A5 and T-72B3 or T-80U were the same BR for at least one update as well.
2A5’s BR is 12.0 today instead of 10.3… or worse, 10.0 even earlier: YouTube sourced image.
The BR changes in quesiton:
and we need more than that. We need top tier to not be 12.0 but 13.0 and for many of the 12.0s to be mvoed up.
Again, do you really consider ADATS to be 0.3 worse than IRIS-T SLM or Buk-M3?
There still a lot of third gen MBTs left to be add
and currently right now there still sht tons of them in the game that aren’t model correctly add forth gen right now it going to be mess
If i want something new i want it completed work not unfinished garbage.
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It still needs more decompression.
Leopard 2A5 is not at the same level as Leopard 2A7 but if lowered to 11.7 it will absolutely destroy 10.7 premiums like M1 KVT, Christian II, Challenger DS, Leopard 2 (OTCo) and I only said premiums because they tend to have low level players who aren’t very well skilled but it will absolutely outmatch non premium 10.7 tanks as well.
I’m hoping we see a massive ground based update with things like the SEPv3, Leopard 2A8, Armata and so forth.
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Don’t need 2A5 clickbait already done that with faster reload than 2A5 too
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Nah the 2A7s and Strv 122s should be on a BR of their own, only abrams that should be the same BR as the 2A7s/122s is the SEPv3.
13.0 for the uparmored Leos, 12.7 for the SEPv1 (SEPv2 should be a BR step below the SEPv1 even) and similar MBTs etc.
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Ideally, yes, but I think 13.0 is the best we can hope for
This will also help decompress high BR CAS because the F-5E or A-10C shouldn’t be nearly the same BRs as the Buk or IRIS-T. It’s a bit ridiculous how these AAs are balanced against CAS above their own BR, leading to any 11.0-12.0 CAS being quite bad.
We do need decompression because there are 3 different performance levels of MBTs at 12.0.
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SPAA should be balanced based on aircraft BRs not tank BRs.
My stance on that has never changed.
From 1.0 - 10.7 it’s the case that their BRs are primarily based on aircraft BRs.
@Promenak
2A7 and 2A5 fire the same round, have identical weakspots, both have thermals, laser range finder, etc. The exclusive difference is an UFP improvement, which for MBTs doesn’t help survivability when it’s not even half of the front hull protection, and most matches are closer range where front plate armor isn’t really relevant when everyone’s shooting side armor. That and armor isn’t something to be relied on as a primary tactic.
2A7 is not a notable improvement over 2A5.
It’s more akin to the differences between Panzer 4J and Panzer 4H, or T-34-85 and 85 Gai in the Chinese tech tree. Marginal differences that don’t really change anything.
The only way to make 2A7 objectively better than 2A5 is giving it DM73, which Gaijin won’t and shouldn’t do because China and USSR cannot keep up at this time, and all other tech trees cannot keep up without being given French SHARD rounds to utilize that 120x570mm standard that they rely on.
Yep, it would. Top tier CAS to 13.3. Top tier SAMs to 13.0 and now 11.7 CAS is viable again and 12.0 to 12.7 CAS has a reason to be used
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I would love it to be 13.3 so that i can play 12.0 without the KH38 and JAGM ir spam
2A7 has 653mm of penetration and 2A5 has 30mm less penetration at 623mm.
2A5, 2A6, PSO have 1st gen thermal for gunner, 2nd gen for commander and 1st gen night vision (not thermal) for driver compared to 2A7 that has 3rd gen thermal for both gunner and commander and even a 1st gen thermal for the driver.
This can be said about 2A5 compared to 2A6 or PSO but 2A7 has better penetration, better thermals for both gunner and commander and better armor.
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Yes, the gun difference exists but is not notable at top BR.
2A7 and 2A5’s guns will pen the exact same spots of all tanks at 12.0.
The benefit of the L/55 is over the T-90A and T-80U, which are 11.0 and 11.7, and even then DM53 out of L/44 pens both at closer ranges as well.
Thermal generation only matters for BRs if you’re the American tech tree. Having thermals is better than not having them, and the best players in the game don’t even use them as common practice. Most maps they aren’t even beneficial as their primary benefit is cutting through forests to find IR signatures.
Deserts, snow, and urban environments thermals are only a marginal aid.
2A7V has the identical turret, and identical hull weakspots because that UFP only protects for long-range maps when you’re sniping… which aren’t the primary purpose of MBTs, it’s a purpose, and a super rare purpose in War Thunder. Maginot Line is the only example I can think of where you can hull-down snipe still.
This is why we need more decompression!
2A5 is worse than 2A7 but still cannot be lowered in BR because the top tier is compressed as hell.
2A7 can be moved up in BR until there is no need to shove 2A5 and 2A7 at the same BR.
(And I’m saying this as a Leopard 2A7V main myself. Leopard 2A7V is easily one of the best tanks in game and doesn’t deserve to be at the same BR as 2A5 and has to be moved up in BR)
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The type 10 should have been added with tanks like the t-14 and black panther. It got artificially nerfed to shit because gaijin lies about trying to make the game realistic.
Edit: yes I’m complaining about the type 10. I just want to play one of my favorite vehicles but it actually be represented well.
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Russia does not lack in the 4th gen tank department.
They have the t-14 and the black eagle( or whatever it’s called)
2A5 is not worse than 2A7V.
There is nothing that 2A5 cannot frag that 2A7V can, nothing.
There is nothing in this can that cannot pen 2A7V and can 2A5.
2A7V’s mobility is also worse than 2A5’s and 2A5 PSO’s, which you omitted from your comparison.
To the data I’ve seen, the mobility change is as marginal as the different guns and UFP.
2A7V is as best as 2A5 is.
Also I wish the spall liners mattered, but I’ve yet to have any tank with a spall liner survive my autocannon fire let alone MBT fire.
Black Eagle was cancelled and T-14 is more or less comparable to Abrams X and KF51 Panther.
T-90M2 can be a decent addition.