When will other nations than Russia be allowed to have the "best" in a class of vehicle?

Just look at how russian players play and shoot at 12.7 man.

They shoot anywhere on the tanks like a bunch of noobs, and still manage to 1 shot NATO MBTs.

NATO players must show skill in the gameplay, suffer aiming at the LFP (which can represent a tiny line in gen 1 IR vision sometimes).

It’s just NOT the same difficulty, it’s completely unfair. So stop bragging about “russian bias doesn’t exist, skill issue, NATO MBTs are as balanced as Russian MBTs”, because it’s simple not true.

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None of those the best for their respective BRs.

You can’t just say “nearly every Russian heavy tank”. The IS-2s are overtiered, the KV-1s are decent, but not OP, and the Obj-279 is the best heavy because it’s much higher than every other one. However you could make the argument that the T58 is a better heavy.

Bruh

I think saying this alone shows that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Are any of those the best, and what makes them so good?

The Rafale is still the best plane in the entire game. The SM2 is close, but the Rafale having much better missiles and flight performance makes it better.

The only 7.3 jet bomber is German. The Tu-4 also exists in a fairly overtiered state.

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play other nato countries like USA, Germany, Sweden. those are better than russia in multiple ways, dont play france

Maybe for you it isn’t.

You shouldn’t conflate player issues with vehicle issues.

It’s an over-used term, I agree.

But there are situations where there’s no way around it, this is one of those cases.

A number of NATO MBT’s are generally superior, so you’re right in saying they’re not perfectly balanced against each-other.
But then again, a number of NATO MBT’s are also significantly better than some other NATO MBT’s.

In general:

  • Strv 122/Leo 2A7V >>> M1A2 SEP/Type10 >>> Leo2A6/2PSO/SEPv2/Leclerc/T-80BVM/Chally2E >>> Chally 2/T-90M/Ariete >>> T-72B3A/Chally 2OES/TES
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Ok wise guy i guess its more like 2.8 ish kd, either way it wouldve been higher if i had better internet. I literally spaded those vehciles with internet that would often spike to 999 ping a few times every game. Absalutely broken vehicles

He’s saying Challengers are better than russian MBTs lol.

Stop feeding the troll, he’s ragebaiting

Mate, it’s a simple equation.

Of course, of course…

Quote me where I’ve said any such thing.

Go ahead, quote me.

They quite literally are. T55’s are broken as well as t62’s which face leopards which are terrible.
T72a’s have insane armor and firepower at 9.3 and the upgraded ones are even better.
T90m and BVM are both broken in their respective fields, t90m has insane protection and never seems to die, t80bvm can easily rush the entire enemy team and eat 3 shots before dying (this is from MY EXPERIENCE WITH THESE VEHCILES PLAYING THEM) Let alone the t34’s at lower brs.

Is-2s are mid but can be amazing, is3 is insanely good, is4m is also. Kv series has many broken vehicles that slap anything at the same br or even higher ones. The t58 is broken good sometimes but also other times its heat non-pens stanard russian armor it should pen so yea.

T80BVM or Type 10 are much better. Armor is not nearly as important on most maps, surviving shots/eating them or being able to dish out damage is.

The fact they have incredile armor and survivability, the fact the 2s19m2 sits at the same br as the sholef while being better in every way. The su series have brokenly good guns and good armor at the same brs as the m36 with the mid 90mm.

The rafale is good but i’d take a su30sm2 any day and as long as you fire your missiles from far enough away the rafale is food because of its short range.

They aren’t any better than tanks of the same BR, and I’ve even heard that the T-62 is fairly weak at 8.7.

They are also worse in every other way, and their armour is negated by a magic thing called aiming that you should’ve learnt at 3.7.

The KV-1s are good, but not OP anymore. Also, if you are not penning stuff with the T58, learn to aim.

They objectively are not.

Which the leopard is the best at.

The 90mm is not mid, and the M36 actually has a turret.

Have you played 14.3?

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Oooh, a self-burn. Those are rare.

In all seriousness, it takes all of two seconds to fact-check you on this stuff, your K/D in the vehicle mentioned is 2.4.
2.4 ain’t 2.8 and it most certainly ain’t 3.0.

You claim to have these experiences of utter domination in your Russian MBT’s, yet the stats paint a completely different picture.

Stats don’t lie, players do.
And speaking of:

Which is why you die in 94% of total battles played using the T-90M, right?

The jokes write themselves here.

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Its not weak believe me.

So by that standard then the 2a7 isnt the best vehcile because you JUST HAVE TO AIM. There is much more than just aiming to this game. And sometimes even when weakspots are hit they dont deal damage.

I had a 21/0 kd in the t58 the week after it came out, i know how to aim. Sometimes the heat just doesnt work, ive shot the upper front plate of a t54 before and it just magically non penned, it was a perfect shot too, not like i hit the small metal flap or anything it just magically didnt pen.

Do you understand the word objective? Because objectively they clap the 2a7

No the only two good things about the leopard is the armor and gun, a t80bvm has armor, bias, mobility and a good gun a reload. The leopard is at best a mid brawler. You should camp a hill or corner on most maps. And the turret ring is also a super limiting thing to its survivability.

You think every vehicle is good is that it? Are you just out to fight people that talk about how bad curtain vehicles are compared to others? Your either a bot a gaijin employee or something else…

So why are you performing better in 2A7V than in BVM which is a much better vehicle in your opinion ?

Using HEAT on T58.

Judging by your stats, they don’t.
Judging by global stats, they don’t.

If some vehicles are broken then your stats in those would be higher than your account’s average.
Which they aren’t when looking at BVM and 90M.

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If we bring up downtiers/uptiers. Look at kpz70 which has one of best mobility in game, 6s reload, decent gun handling and 20mm roof autocannon bound to gunner. It faces t55 and t62.

Someone that is playing multiple nations (USSR included) is at a net negative when defending RU bias.
Also, it’s worth to mention IRL biases as they definitely twist the opinions and make people say things that have no base whatsoever.

Like when someone claims tank X is better than Y by a significant margin, but then he (and the general community) performs worse in it for reasons.

2s38 and pt76 57 are ok but rest is garbage. Just ok because there are cv9040s, hstvl, rdf lt, ags in game.

The only good ones are t80bvm, um2, ud and maybe t64b. Rest is just garbage. And they all are worse than abrams or leopard 2.

Kv1 shielded is only good tank from this list but only in downtiers. Otherwise gawkgawkgawk to long german, us and brit barrels.

Soviet mbts arent 1st either.

Another batch of garbage. Wiesel, mephisto, aft09, pzh2000, scorpion, grievous, sprg - they are all better than soviet counterpart.

Garbage.

Only nm thanks to forcefield and lmurs.

Cobra gets worse atgms but also gets much better mobility. Mi24 is just flying cow playing vs ir (which now can lock at up to 5km range) or saclos missiles.

Germany has good jet bomber at even lower br.

Japan already got better one.

Thats the problem of a10c balancing. Lets have a look at what counterparts west has against su25

Su25/su25k 10.0:
A4e 9.3 (3x fnf)
Squadron hunter 9.7 (2x fnf)
Ayit 10.0 (5x fnf)
A7k 10.3 (8x fnf)
F105D 10.0 (3x3000 lb bombs, supersonic)
Su25bm 10.7:
A10a late 10.7 (6x fnf)
A7e 10.7 (5x fnf + pod)
A6e 10.7 (9x las guided + pod)
Su25t/tm 11.3:
F4e (8x fnf, sarh, radar, supersonic)
Both f4e and a10a late have a neat spot in 10_2 sim unlike su25bm/t/tm btw.

No need. russian bias doesnt need to be cosigned by some content creators with skill and experiene since its not necessarily based in the performance of russian equipment. Its based in the rule bending done specifically for the russian tech tree. That does not mean that russian tanks are or perform better than others, it just means that they get a preferential treatment in some regards that others dont. No amount of bias could make the dogshit that are russian tanks better than a Leopard 2A7 but russian bias is responsible for them being on an even remotely similar level.

Which is precisely why i try to base my russian bias believe as little as possible in individual, subjective opinions by whomever but instead in objective cases where the russian tech tree gets treatment that others do not or at the very least not as constantly.

Lol.

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At least we agree on one thing, i guess
Why would i care about that challenge and pick out content creators (which you will ignore anyways) if i dont think that their opinion matters in the first place?

have you actually played russian tanks? i swear most the people bitching about muh russian bias has never actually played a russian tank

Do you have to have played a russian tank to see stuff like LMURs and KH38MTs? Its not like their special position changes just because ive suffered playing a terrible tank.