Hmm yeah I guess so
I’ve also enjoyed the mid tiers
competent at 7.7? what are you talking about?? apds not bad? its so inconsistent of that and the 20pdr is basically useless against ussr ufp’s which is pretty horrible since you have to aim for thin part on turret with a supposedly “high pen round”. the hesh on 120mm as well, super inconsistent, but the long reload makes it 2x worse, here’s a typical conqueror engagement: *fire round, *round fails miserably - does zero damage, *try to reverse, *get shot through paper thin mantlet getting your breach, *die. Dont get me wrong, these tanks arent terrible, its just inconsistency of the rounds that make them sub-par, i think anyone would prefer any gun with aphe over british 7.7 guns…
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I know very well what I said because I base it on my experience. I really enjoyed the 7.7 with the vikers mk1 Royal Ordnance L7A1 105 mm. It was so good that I see they have upgraded it to 8.0 BR. This gun is a beast.
The Conqueror has a 120mm Ordnance QF which is very good, it has a long load but is very tough. ALL TANKS suffer from barrel breakage.
As a third option I used Centurion Mk 3 which is the only one that has the 20pdr and is a more than acceptable tank.
Shell shattered.
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HESH projectiles have a very particular function, a while ago I realized that the damage of the HESH goes in a straight line in reference to the armor in which it hits, let me explain: When you fire a HESH at the front of a T-55 The damage goes downwards, since it hits a plate at 60°, if it hits a plate at 0° the damage would go forward, destroying the entire tank.
That’s why with small caliber HESH projectiles you can destroy large tanks with relative ease if you hit key points, such as killing a T-10M with the 90mm HESH of an M48, you just have to hit that HESH in the bulge in it. the roof of the T-10M turret, since when hitting a plate that is almost vertical the damage will go almost downwards, killing all or almost all of the turret crew members.
Now yes, the bad thing and what makes the HESH a suffering is that in general terms they do not make a very large spalling cone, they are mostly slow bullets so to ensure the shots that I have explained before you would need a laser rangefinder or aim and luck ,and finally the fact that HESH lack overpressure damage despite being HE ammunition but with the explosive damage directed mainly forward.
They was always problem with British in this game and with bs chance to sabot they leave you with option to shout AP that is 2 or 3 brs lower now to mention the overall up tier for Stabilized gun but the tanks are so slow that don’t even need them
pure joke
no traverse speed
no armor on hull
no armor at the turret
bad ammunition
up-tierred as hell
no smoke even if they have irl
the entire tank is mobile weak spot enemy not even aim
they can’t flank because of the maps and horrible speed
they can’t hull down because turret is paper
Sabot needs to get fixed it is just BS right now
Ofc what you expect only Rus and Chinese had tanks that actually work .
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Personally id like to send myself in a crate to Gaijin and when im inside, go and add spalling ricochay inside tanks. Would make Solid rounds be so much greater. Along with Chemical penetrators
Sweden also mainly Uses Apds mostly as its best ammunition since the APHE wont do much if you face russia since you cant pen them
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My 5 reasons to play British tanks, especially 8.0-9.0
- exceptional gun handling
- exceptional gun handling
- exceptional gun handling
- exceptional gun handling
- exceptional gun handling
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Mostly only cromwell hull have bad reverse gears. Have you people not played the panthers and Russia mbt? They make British tanks look like sports cars in reverse.
Most of the British tree are mediums, their armour is comparable to most mediums. Issue here is a lack of heavy tanks for some reason.
Good turret armour for their classes. Not sure where you get this.
Apart from shell shatter which is criminally bad and ruins several br now for Britain their ammo is regularly the highest penetrating, flattest shooting ammo for their br.
Br of most British tanks is questionable for sure. No argument on that.
Not really an issue.
Repeating the inaccurate comment on armour already stated above.
Maps not the British fault, all nations play on the same maps. The lie British tanks are slow is getting beyond a joke at this point. Tier 1 are all fast, crusaders are fast, Cromwell hulls are fast and at multiple tiers, fox is fast, rooikats are fast, Vickers varients 1 3 11 and 5, vmf5, and a couple challenger mbt and premium chieftain are fast. British tanks also maintain their top speed better off road so Max speed on stat card are misleading.
Again you repeat the turret armour lie. Turrets are strong, your also ignoring g the best gun depression in game and stabilisation and fastest gun stop for not stabilised guns as well as the fastest average reloads. Making Brits best over all hull down tanks in the game.
And you repeat the ammo statement again but specify sabot which British hardly use. I assume you mean apds? Either way you already mentioned ammo and I’ve already commented on that.
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i havent gone back down to the centurions and fv4202 but back when i played it would be:
1 - shoot apds and crew turns yellow
2- get shot with aphe on turret forehead and tank goes boom.
you are right about the stabilizer, it does help the team mates who shoot the tank after i do.
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The problem in calling centurions mediums is that most heavies operate at the same speed. 35kph max puts you in the area of Tiger 2s with only slightly better acceleration. Your turret armor is nowhere near a heavy tank and that makes centurions even worse. When the Centurion Mk3 was 6.7 that was fine. Its been a long time since then and the BR increases have made a cornerstone of the brit tree mediocre.
Challengers are all some of the slowest tanks at their BR. Khalid is also slow compared to almost all of its competition and turning burns all speed due to weight.
Offroad speed is good… in a straight line. Brit tanks are very heavy for mediums making them burn all speed on turns.
Almost all non-russian tanks match brits in gun depression. -10 is very common. Now, i’ll admit the conq and chieftan are two of the best hull down tanks in the game, but they pay for it in so many other ways that its hard to put them on a pedistal.
APDS is sabot. Armor piercing discarding sabot.
Speed is relative. In most my British tanks eg centurions, challengers, chieftains etc I can still make the cap points with the leopards, Russians and the Abram’s tanks 3specially if crossing off road. They lose way more speed then us. One thing I do and try to encourage others is use your left and right brakes to turn, burs less speed and turns much sharper. Can’t think of his name but there is an American youtubers that just hangs shit on British tanks every single time and can barely say a good thing about them but he gets a nuke almost every time he plays them and he almost always ends up pushing their spawn by the end of battle so it has the speed and aggression to do it. He does better in them than his Americans and Germans and still dunks on them. This in my experience is the attitude of most players. No matter how well they perform they repeat the same tired nonsense.
Centurion armour is quite good I feel people greatly underestimate them either that or they are over estimating other turrets because they are almost all easy to kill if you know them.
Slowest doesn’t mean slow though, just want to be clear. Challenger is fast enough to do all the mbt roles. Not fast enough to be a light tank but push a front it can do and that’s its job.
British tanks are usually - 12 to - 14 gun depression leading up to the end of ww2 content. Post ww2 drops to an average of 10 your right and my brain still working with how it was when that was the bulk of the tech tree.
Apogies your right, at the time reading sabot my brain was just seeing apcr for some reason. Your right sabot is apds.
Brits aren’t perfect. Many lineups have been neutered by br, solid shot was nerfed with
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What are you talking about
Centurions are up-tiered as hell 7.7 with an 84mm cannon that in reality can’t pene T54 front upper plate not to mention APDS have no post pene dmg at all in the game and behave like solid shot AP
Black Prince has better armor than Tiger I Seriously did you check the protection analyst not to mention side tracks have a room with ammo 95mm rolled armor does not save you even from rank II tanks and you do not need to aim at the copula down there is 38mm armor that you can pene with reserve tanks is just a joke comparing Black Prince to Tiger I that have better layout of the armor overall + cannon and ammo that actually work
APDS is amazing at killing 1 crew and shattering most the times
Tiger II another tank that has better ammo can 1 tap you most the times
Vickers Mk1 has Royal Ordinance Factories L7 105mm gun that why is good is the same with Leo 1 but the armor on is is from a light tank even BMP with 30mm can kill you from the front joke on you thinking is amazing because of the Gun
Centurions got upgraded to Royal Ordinance Factories L7 105mm gun in 1959 yes and why use guns in-game from early and late 1945 is this Gaijin balance because of Stabilizer and people crying
- Remember that War Thunder has more that 1 game mode and tanks behave differently on all of them if you camp behind Rocks and 1 tap people on the side think the tank is balanced no is not you have years of difference in Tech and in Reality 84mm cannon was unable to pene T-54 at the front upper plate and Gaijin put it in the game so you play vs T-54s its a joke
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Ngl I find the Strv 101 fine damage-wise, honestly a wonderful tank.
The 84mm post-pen sucks, I do agree on that
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20pdr would be fine of it had she’ll shatter removed. That crap is bull.
Black Prince is definitely way better protected then a tiger. There is no genuine justification to say otherwise
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No more so than a Churchill (it’s has the same armour thickness layout, although the turret has a mantlet so volumetrics can save it). Overall no more than 152mm, which is comfortably delt with by the APHE on both tigers if not properly angled. Don’t get me wrong it’s definatly well armoured, but I wouldn’t say obnoxously so, especially considering the price you pay for that armour. 18KPH is very hard to win matches with on most maps, and with a 3KPH reverse speed it’s hard to both angle, and disengage.
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It is better then the Churchill 7 the armour configuration is better and allows you to angle where the hull front and side are over 200mm. The 7 isn’t the same
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I just want to say that the Conqueror is one of the most painful tanks I’ve ever played
Yes because Gaijin considers all the 7.7 and down Ammunition APDS as early APDS and they are inaccurate shatter and don’t have spalling at all not to mention stops on the first module and death crew
So Conqueror with only APDS and HESH is a joke tank like the Cents with 84 mm pounder at least the Cent can you APCBC but the pen is mediocre at 7.7 and no HE filler.
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The 105 is a good gun, love the APDS on it.
The 20pdr however is a piece of shit and can go die in a hole cause it sucks.