as the title says why bother getting these vehicles? they are heavier with no armor improvements, they dont have spall liners, they dont get any firepower improvements (yes you still have to aim for weak spots even with its top APFSDS) and they have to face tanks with spall liners, while at 11.3 the abrams has the same armor at 12.7 without having to face any of those tanks, doesnt have to worry about the T80s with more reverse speed, doesnt have to worry about fire and forget missiles, and tbh no one has better cast than usa at 11.3. there is honestly no point in grinding anything past the IPM1 and M1A1, heck you can even say the same thing regarding the M1 abrams and M1 kvt, compared to the M1A1 they are still better because they get better match making and they can still use their biggest strength vs non nato nations, aka top speed, reverse speed, and thermals.
you cant even say the same thing for other nations, some get active protection systems, some get reverse speed, some get massive armor upgrades, some get spall liner, (well actually both France and Japan suffer the same fate as USA).
As gaijin has said before, they dont know the actual armor of any top tier MBT, everything is just guess work, I think they need to reconsider their stand and buff all MBT’s to be on the same page in terms of armor, fire power and mobility.
but as it stands usa gets raw end of the deal imo, hell abrams still can get penned from the front by an bt7 and get killed, yeah man just shoot the upper hull plate it will go through and kill the driver and the gunner.
call me US main, say its skill issue, honestly I dont care im too busy playing with my T72B and chieftain mk10, just wanted to point this out
You get 12.7 armor at 12.0. Which is why. Also Clickbait is 12.0 which is M1A1 HC. M1A2 is same as SEP except it have no MG or cupola to lob HE into and no gen 2 thermals, otherwise its same. They are basically sidegrades to top Abramses.
heatfs still goes through the upper plate of the hull, there is gigantic hole under the turret, it doesnt matter if the turret cheeks become 10000mm of effective armor its still the same massive weakness that the M1 abrams, M1A1, M1A1 HC all have, so yes 12.7 sep 2 basically is the same tank but worse because of its BR rating.
what armor? the upper plate that gets penned by BT7? the massive hole under the turret? for all purposes the entire Abrams line up work the same way as the M1 Abrams, nothing changes, except the BR and what it faces. Fun fact been playing M1 since posting this and man it performs better than all Abrams, not only do you survive more often, you also dominate everything at its BR, best reload in its BR, only in uptier vs japan that u lose in reload speed, most people who pen ur turret cant go all the way through and breach the blowout panels, you get the best cas aka A10 with 6 AGM’s that are accurate and deadly, great heli support, good back up vehicles with the same darts, m1128/markeva mk2.b/120s/Bradley, and you are the fastest MBT in the br, so again what is the point of getting those vehicles, why do they even exist? hell another benefit of the M1 abrams over all other abrams is you dont have to deal with 1 death leavers aka everyone who bought the 12 BR premiums
Any top tier MBT gets penned by BT-7 under gun so. Abrams work wonders in hulldown and when they rush shot you it bounces quite a lot. Also the purpose of them is to do this: To have a lineup at top tier. Once you can take off TUSK from SEP V2 after patch,i will replace Clickbait with it.
no, Im saying that IPM1/M1A1/M1A1 HC/M1A1 AIM/click bait/M1A2/M1A2 SEP/M1A2 SEP V2 are all worse version of the original M1 Abrams, nothing in the gameplay changes, in fact it all gets worse the higher your BR goes, I’m saying that why would anyone want to get the worst version of a vehicle? why not upgrade the vehicle, everything is guess work and any actual intel is leaking classified documents and can not be used, so whats stop gaijin from buffing certain expect of the vehicle.
Like I can draw a point and say hey I have T72A why would i get the T72B or the T90 its going to be the same thing right? well no, going from the T72A to T72B you become more survivable thanks to ERA, and further going from the T72 to T90A, you get a better armored vehicle that has even better upper plate and can counter ATGMS with its active protection system and you receive thermal upgrade, well you grind the T72B3 so you can get the T90M which is even better armored than your last vehicle, has access to spall liner. you can say the same thing about the T80s with getting reverse gear, you can use the same logic for every other nation except for USA, Japan and France
It’s not the same though, the Turret armour is significantly stronger despite being the same thickness due to using more advanced composite arrays including DU
brother the entire upper plate of the hull gets penned by bt7 not just under the gun, also no T90M is pretty much immune to such tactic. also the abrams and the Ariete are the only 2 MBTs that get their entire upper plate penned by heatfs, why have this? why not make all MBTs immune to heatfs on their uppler plate other than their weak spot?
by that definition the M1 abram should also be 11.7 or 12, its faster than the both of those 11.3 abrams, its darts pens the same exact weak points, it has the same reload, same thermal, it simply has 440mm of less chemical protection on its turret cheeks, we should perhaps move up all the T72s and T880s to 11.7/12 as well
Want to see TRUE 12.7-level armor? Watch Strv 122B+, Strv 122B PLSS, Strv 122A, Leopard 2A7HU, Leopard 2A7V, T-90M or T-80BVM.
THAT’s 12.7 armor. Not… whatever a miserable 350mm KE hull with a 50mm thick flat center of mass occupying 1/3rd of the front surface with turret armor that’s not even imprevious on an arc is suppossed to be.
Now compare turret armor, which is arguably more important as you can attack in MBT while your hull is hidden but you will never be able to attack in a MBT without exposing your turret.
have I taken crazy pill here??? brother show me 1 brain dead person who shoots for an abrams cheek instead of massive gaping hole under its turret and i will show you a person who has an IQ of 9, the gun performs the same as the 105mm,
gen 2 thermal is only slighly better than gen 1 thermals, my point still stands, you become heavier, you face more broken mechanics in the game aka fire and forget missiles and spall liner on other MBT’s and you lose your only advantage by upgrading to the other abrams, M1 Abram is literally the best abrams in the game, so why would anyone bother with the other abram tanks?
For me they become better the higher they go, the current best Abrams variants are the former 11.7s which is now at 12.0, their turret can bounce endgame ammunition and they easily one-tab everything they see, unlike the first one with m774 which often feels underpowered at times. SEP actually got even better with the improved FCS over the 12.0, which is 13x gunner sight zoom and gen 3 thermals, only complaint for the SEP is the trash like mg shields on the turret, at least it can be removed so it become a non-issue.
