Like i got the M1A2T for China since a few Days and had to put it on a low-level Crew and i already find it unspaded better than any of Chinas own MBTs. Like i got Ace grinded on the 99A with over 500+ Matches in it but the M1A2T is already much better lol
i think once i got it spaded its going to be even better than the A5/A6 leopard
You don’t need to think, it’s easily better than 2A5 when spaded.
The main argument is that the protection of the armor is lacking and should be more survivable. With the armor still very much classified they give it poor values in protection.
the sep and the sep V2 being the worst as they are massively heavy with reduced maneuverability and the added armor really doesnt do anything for them. Its only really viable against chemical rounds which no one plays at that br
This…gaijin is coping how do you go from the M1A2 to the SEP V2 with an added 10000 pounds of weight but no more armor lol
Yeah but its still so much better than most other MBTs
like try out the vt4a1/99a for some matches and then the m1a2, m1a2 is miles better in everything but mobility and the traction i noticed is sometimes kinda weird
They say it is bad because they are bad. Simple as.
The M1A2 SEP and SEPv2 would be amazing if you could delete the TUSK kit (without losing the composite sideskirts) and the turret ring was volumetric.
Abroooms is already strong it’s just that Leopard 2A7 and Strv 122 are brainless strong in comparison with better everything except reload rate (which is a plus for the abroooms)
SEP doesn’t lose the comp sideskirts actually, and this would be really welcome on SEP V2.
The only bad thing about the Abram is the turret ring and placement of hydraulic pump (bug reports about both of these issue have been accepted). Besides that it is a good tank
Though M1A2 is the worst 12.0 Abram IMO
Ye 2A7V/HU and Swedens STRV122 are the strongest MBT in-Game imo. Leopard 2 PSO rly underrated / under radar of many but i think its one of the strongest too, the extra armour made me survive a lot of hits and ur not even slower cuz the engine is stronger
M1A2 however also is definitely among the top and if we compare it to like an 99A/VT4A1 at same BR they are brainless strong too
Tbh with the addition of BMPT’s TUSK kit became viable again.
Those 30MM APDS rounds struggles to penetrate you from the side when TUSK is equipped, its the whole reason why I started to use my SEP’s with that kit again and works like charm.
The problem isn’t that they are “bad”, but that they are worse than they should be to truly reflect their real counterparts.
-Whole center of mass is a pathetic flat 50mm thick RHA plate when it’s phisically ~300mm thick.
-The “seam” in the UFP can also somehow be lolpenned by autocanons. That area is missing a reinforcement armor plate as well.
-SEP and SEPv2 are missing officially confirmed and acknowledged turret armor improvements, specially against CE, compared to the old baseline M1A2.
-Fuel tank bulkheads are missing plates (top, front and external sides) and thickness (should be 25, not 19mm).
-M1A2 SEP and/or SEPv2 could very perfectly be using their historical M839A3 shell, which, on Gaijin’s official words, “wouldn’t change much gameplay-wise” but at least would make them more historically accurate and give them a more appealing firepower in a placebo way to make up for the weak protection compared to the uparmored Leopards they are supposed to be equal to.
-M1A1 AIM is missing its historical KE-W A2 shell and is forced to fare with unhistorical KE-W despite sitting at the same BR as other tanks with M829A2 (to be fair these should be 12.3, but still. I’d rather have them be 12.3 with real shells than 12.0 with fake shells).
You haven’t faced 30 mm of BMPT yet
NO. This would cause incredible powercreep as T-72B3 and T-80Us would be rendered entirely useless. The shell balance is already fine at top tier, why ruin it? M1A2 SEP and SEP V2 also have plenty of appealing advantages over 2A7/122, namely reload, ammo stowage (you can take more than double the shells 2A7/122 can), and mobility.
M1A1 AIM with KE-W A2 would be 12.7, and so should all other HC variants.
T-80Us are 11.7, and T-72B3 is 11.3. Why should they not be outmatched by 12.7 tanks?
(T-72B3A should NOT be 12.3, but 11.7 instead, but that’s a different topic).
You still shouldn’t take more than 19 shells. Just because you can have more in the blowout panel it doesn’t mean it’s safer.
Loading more shells leads to full ammorack when hit on the mantlet or turret ring, as the shells pierce the blowout panel and hit the ammo.
Mobility? Reaching top speed a second faster does not make up for the enormous protection and survivability differences, in my opinion.
The only true advantage the Abrams has over the uparmored Leopards is reload… just like every other non-Leopard/RU/CN tank.
M1A2 and the M1A1HCs already sit at the same BR as AIM, while having M829A2. No reason why AIM should be missing its historical KE-W A2 (M829A2 equivalent) and be forced to use unhistorical KE-W. And as I said, all of these could very well be 12.3 instead, yes. (No way they would be 2A7/122 equals still).
Not really.
While M1 families has those advantages Leopards has much better armor, spall liner and better firepower (DM53 on 2A7V).
They pretty much equal in terms advantages.
Not really.
Those tanks lacks second/third gen thermal systems while also doesnt have CITV and TUSK kit which in this case 12.3 is more suitable.
Also with current mm 9/10 times you’ll face uptiers with 12.0’s.
I take 37 (full blowout) and don’t die because of it. The times I do would’ve killed me even if I carried 19.
Snappiness of chassis definitely gives Abrams the win here. Leos are rather sluggish compared to Abrams. Also, Abrams has 7 km/h higher speed than 2A7.
Except unlike Leclercs, Arietes, Merkavas, etc. the Abrams does not sacrifice much for the reload, the turret is especially a problem on the mentioned 3, though the Merkava is not that bad in terms of turret armor.
I’d rather put them at 12.7 straight up. The thermal generation should not warrant any BR difference.
Move those up to 13.0 then. While we’re at it increase the CAS BR to 13.7 perhaps.
Which is why they’re a rather equal series as a whole. You play Abrams for X, you play Leo for Y, though both are exceptional tanks no matter what situation you put them in.
2A6/PSO and Strv 122s don’t seem to care about thermal generation, anything better than Gen 1 is a QoL change.
You don’t equip TUSK on Abrams, the HEAT protection is extremely niche and the autocannon protection is already rather good due to Abrams composite sideskirts which are immune to 30mm APDS until they are knocked off.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Jokes aside, I still don’t think 1990-1992 tanks should be just 0.3 BRs away from the greatest tanks in service by 2026 hahah.
I’d say put base A2 and HCs at 12.3, give AIM its historical KE-W A2 and make it 12.7, give the SEPs M829A3 and make them 13.0, put the uparmored Leopards at 13.3, and Top C*S, 14.3.
A properly modelled M1A2 SEPv3 would be 13.3, along with the uparmored Leopards.
I just don’t see M829A3 coming into the game without making a mess of our shell balance. The remaining 9 nations would want an equal.
I think a CASless/SPAAless gamemode seperate to combined battles would be great as well.