Can’t be, game modes haven’t changed since 2013.
The SEAD mission gives me some(!) hope that Gaijin understands that the game modes need updates…rather sooner than later.
Other than that, War Thunder needs a lot of corrective actions regarding balance, matchmaker and br compression, but the core underneath it with the vehicles, damage models and so on is solid.
I can deal with stale game modes as we have been doing that for years (almost all arena based shooters). What I can not deal with :
Immersion breaking : Fighting WW2 tech against Cold War tech, etc along with environment.
Map Design and Object placement : 3 lane or 5 lane shooters where watching spawn exit makes me feel like I am doing DOTA pubs - I have a brain, let me use it. With that comes the floating terrain and misplaced hitboxes.
Disregard for vehicle design & doctrine : Lets put everything into a CQC brawl and then change BR by vehicle efficiency - WT
Balance VS Nerf : Nerfing down a single aspect does not balance the game. (IR seekers, IR signatures, munitions, vehicle BR changes, RADAR, vehicle additions, map red zones, +++)
Yes, agreed.
But that’s what I mean with corrective actions and we’ve seen some positive changes in the past with larger maps as well.
We’ve also seen negative changes with small maps or CQC maps in higher and top tier…as long as that keeps a loose balance, that’s fine with me.
dont play GRB, problem fixed.
GRB is just a fundamentally flawed gamemode, and is atrocious, miserable and frustrating. Just dont touch it.
Shrinking maps and reducing match timers has been a disaster for this game. It’s starting to feel unrecognizable.
I used to think having to chase someone down and ground pound for 30 minutes was the worst thing in the world in Air RB when the match timer was like an hour, but I’m starting to realize it wasn’t bad now that all matches barely last 20 minutes. Not to mention I also miss the somewhat historical matchmaker.
Don’t even get me started on the shrinking Ground RB maps and forced urban CQC brawling. Of all the new maps added recently Flanders is probably the best, but that’s not saying a lot considering its competitors are; Seversk-13, Seversk-13 v2 (Test Site-2271), Sweden, Western Europe (North Holland), Golem Quarry, Space Port, Cargo Port, Alaska, American Desert, and Abandoned Town. It’s even more insane that you can get all these maps in top-tier, what happened to the maps specifically made for MBTs like Fulda Gap and Red Desert? They’re practically non-existent now and if you do get them it’s the shrunk down version.
I don’t play this game because I want to smash planes together in full-commit head-ons on the deck or play bumper-car tank-jousting in Summoner’s Rift, but if I did it would seem that Gaijin is trying to cater to me instead of the people that have played this game for over a decade.
Useless people are the most valuable players to Gaijin …they do what they do in hope to frustrate you to the point where you will go and buy to make game “Easier” …
I agree here. The game was fun years ago and it got just plain stupid. Matches are unfair, things are expensive, and challenges and task are repetative and lame. I left war thunder because of the unfairness and went back to WOT/WOAP/WOWS because it seems to be a little me fair and there is a decent challenge. I cam back to Warthunder because the updates have modern vehicles but it take alot of time to get through the tiers and money money money. I wish there were better campaign missions rather than the ones on there amd they need to be more rewarding that 10 or 20 rp or coins
Those games had competition, Warthunder does not. There are no other games to cannabalize new players in this genre.
It’s basicaly just same plot again and again. Some people made a game driven by dreams and ideas. But when it got mature and developed, it becomes driven by money flow and report to shareholder.
Every company is driven by the inflow of revenue and reports to shareholders. Look at games produced by Blizzard entertainment for example, and a card game like hearthstone in which I managed to reach legend level, have the card back to prove it. I can tell you there is no balance in it at all!!
This game to an extent tries to balance things out, the idea of expanding maps and make it that players can multipath giving them more options to out maneuver opponents, like blocking the view of those who have reached a spot close to their spawn and are trying to snipe someone reaching the point of capture should be looked into. Definitely if there is one issue that needs attention is the creation of new maps for top tier 9.0br and above. Maps like Vietnam for example do a good job of not allowing some one to stay in one spot and control large portions of the map. It is not a huge map but players can maneuver and out smart opponents.
It is different to a city map in which only few paths are available to impact the objectives of the game so everyone flocks to them. Vietnam style maps will also prevent people from snipping and controlling an entire area. I think gajiin should focus on creating such maps. Their newer map with the ancient ruins is an ok example of this but there are too many elevated positions from which individuals can impact point capture. Otherwise the rest of the maps offers many oppositions to players who can out-smart opponents. Gajiin should focus on creating maps like that.
They wont take super long to finish but will give players the ability to maneuver around the map by reaching spots from which they cant be easily seen by those that are snipping and looking for easy kills.
Firstly, just because of lack of competition does not mean that we do not have to hold the game to a standard.
There is the Wargaming VS Gaijin argument - I am one of the many players that originally left Wargaming in favor of Gaijin and what Gaijin presented at the time with War Thunder.
Yet, competition or not -
That is just the first ones that come to mind. Comparing decisions to other titles like Arma (who said sorry, but we promised something we can not do) and Warframe that implements changes best suited to maintain balance between game design intent and player “fun” the contrast is a bit stark on what should be-, what can be- and what is- happening.
Right now in WT it appears that linear play is encouraged, wallet spam to grind is encouraged, lack of team play is encouraged and vehicle design, immersion and indoc is ignored in favor of (again) pushing linear play.
I’m on here complaining with everyone else, i’m not saying the game can’t be held to standards, but the reality is warthunder has no real competition for its realistic battles which are seen as the main game mode by most. You could say WoT is s competitor for arcade, WoWS for naval arcade, and DCS/IL2 is s competitor for sim, but there is absolutely nothing competiting with realistic battles.
WoW has plenty of competition in the MMO space, I quit classic to go play archage relaunch for example. CoD and BF compete with esch other, path of exile is slaughtering diablo and forcing blizzards hand, destiny and warframe are direct compeitors… WT has nothing for realistic battles so gaijin can get away with murder here.
The problem with Gaijin is that they have so much potential on their hands with War Thunder but they absolutely refuse to act upon it.
Back in the day we had historical events and historical EC’s which absolutely encouraged teamwork and were always packed with players. I remember the P-51 vs Me262 battle where the Mustangs had to protect a bomber stream from Ze Germans. Great fun.
With all of the assets this game has you could recreate the battles in the Pacific. You could also increase the rewards for said game modes and just like that you have a ton of players.
Gaijin, the grind cannot be the core aspect of the game. The gameplay is.
Also fix the darn bugs. In SB we still have dead AI planes having fits on the runways and lets just say it doesn’t exactly scream quality… its been years now!
That didnt age very well…
The only concerns that we have, is if the Topic stays on topic… other concerns are if it is about MM / BR / Balancing etc etc… then that feedback can go in existing topics…
Otherwise I do not think we have a problem with this topic
Much like The Soviet Union keeping capitalists in check and forcing them to actually raise wages (look at what happened to wages and inflation when the SU was illegaly dissolved wink wink), I think Gaijin would benefit from having a competitor pushing them to be the very best they can be.
A lot of people here dont work in games or fields close to it and seem to think everyone at Gaijin is lobotomized which is naive and childish, you dont build such a complex game by being incompetent, however you might stagnate after a while when no one pushes you to continuously refine your work, which is what i believe has happened to Gaijin.
Long time not seen, hope you are well!
Regarding your reply:
Mhm - i am not really sure that we have a common understanding about what the OP is referring to. From my pov he addresses exactly those 3 topics you mentioned - as all are connected.
So whilst i am happy that you assess that there is no need to lock this thread i’d like to share a thread talking about (almost) the same issues with the usual outcome:
So i generally agree that predictions (especially regarding the future😎) have usually a rather low confidence level. But - if they are based on long term observations they became often reality!
Have a good one!
Totally agree.
But - Your example regarding capitalism (wages) is one of the worst analogies to pick. Technically seen it is imho wrong at least from a holistic perspective wages are irrelevant if the state (which represents the people as a whole) owns the employing entity.
Regarding competition:
It is imho a matter of actually existing entry barriers - as wt was able to connect and Air, Land & Sea warfare it is extremely unique and has no real competition until several specialized games would merge or at least offer combined warfare.
While true, the identity of shareholders makes a significant impact.
Companies where shareholders happen to be the engineers, designers, quality control/assurance workers, maintenance crews and researchers have very different approaches, priorities and perspectives. If you add the local community as a stakeholder, it all changes again.
You can observe this differences in both gaming, general software and non-gaming companies (pharma companies jump to my mind mainly, but applies generally) alike. The starkest shifts are noticable when an initially engineer/designer/QC/MC/R ran company gains outside shareholders or non-productive parts of the company get outsized influence. Runescape’s story in the early 2000s is a very loud example for gaming companies. But like, think of sims/management games and compare the small studio projects versus mainstream ones.
DeltaV/Sailwind are only possible because there’s no outsized non-productive employee influence nor no external shareholders outside of the consumers participating in respectful dialogue.
Well, no one’s forcing you to play games that focus on realism.
War Thunder today is the least compressed its ever been, the most balanced its ever been due to the lack of nation restrictions facing each other, maps are over double the average area of maps in the past, the in-game economy is stronger than ever, and of course far more matured PVP game modes than in the past.
Of course there are still a couple pockets of compression to fix.
There’s PVE game modes they should add.
There are some more map types that they can add.
Also “WW2 vs Cold War” has existed since game start. Sabres use to fight props, and IRL war games did that and then some.
IR seekers, radar, munitions, and IR signatures are not nerfed or buffed, those are only ever changed with documentation.
Armored doctrine involves 0 - 3000 meter engagements, real-wars aren’t fought at the extreme ranges of tanks.
You can go to YouTube to find how close tanks can get in actual combat.
Oh and if you want to challenge your brain, play on Sweden, Iberian Castle, etc. Maps with dozens of flanking routes.
Vs the 5? of Sands of Sinai, which is more than the 1 it use to be when the CQC area of the map was still around.
In any of the interaction I have ever had with you I am starting to have the feeling that you do not entirely read what I am talking about. I would also like to point out that in the various threads you reply your responses are often polar and contradicting.
Not once did I complain about playing a game that focuses on realism. In contrary - realism style or sim games is almost all I play. With that said - my complain with War Thunder for the past few years is that it is feeling more like a game of DOTA than a “REALISTIC” game.
I understand when things are left out for balance
I do not understand when immersion is broken in a realism game
I do not understand when design & doctrine is ignored in a realism game
I do not understand when base graphic detail is released into game without QC.
I do not understand when vehicles that are designed for range combat are constantly forced into a city.
Immersion (design, arena, doctrine), playability, freedom of movement is all I care for. Saying that “you will stick around” does not make you more elite either.