and how does a gripen c compare in cas loadout to a f16 c, rafale or su30? it doesnt. 4 agms but then you have no fox 3s, if you take 2 fox 3s you can take 8 gnss guided glide bombs. those are only good vs spaa…thats no comparison at all. rafale and su30s loadout are leagues better. Your best option for fixed wing cas is the norwegian f16am…with very limited counter measures but at least mavericks and 2 gbus WHILe carrying at least 2 fox 3s
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duh they are better, doesnt mean any gripen is bad lmao. You are saying it lacks in “CAS options” when it doesnt. It has limited amount but that doesnt make it bad lol.
And gripen has an incredible flight model which is very important in GRB.
Being able to go toe to toe with the guys you mentioned above and win against vast majority of matchups without really thinking much is very powerful lol.
Plus funnily enough you are forgetting Gripen A is 12.0, with TGP and 4 TV SAPHE mavericks. Like i dont mind when people say that the gripen isnt a good CAS plane in context of ordinance because yea, its not got a lot of slots and they are shared with your amraams or 9Ms, but its not a bad plane to do CAS with. You just gotta rearm more often than someone else.
Gripen A has a lot of things going for it, matchmaker included. Gripen C has access to SDBs which while not stellar can be quite good when combined with that FM for close range kills.
And like i also said they literally got F16AM which is an F16A (iirc it was block 20) with the loadout of F16C + Penguins for pointlock. So like idk what the hell youre on about.
You can do CAS with gripens.
insane cas would be
1/ all flankers su30/su34/su27sm
2/id said the brims user like ef2000 and tornado
3/f15e for sure
4/all f18c
i never said it is bad and yes as cap the gripen is very good. but theres multiple nations in top tier that have multiple jet options that can wipe the whole battlefield in one good run as long as they are uncontested (and can even do it if they are contested if the pilot is skilled). With f&f weaponry. And those jets even when taking full cas loadout still have almost their full air to air loadout. rafale can go full cas with 6 hammers that most likely oneshot anything they hit plus one bomb and still has 4 fox 3s and 2 ir missiles. And after losing the plane most of these nations can just continue with almost immune helis with 15 km range f&f agms…or hop into the next plane with equally opressive cas loadout (Su30sm–>su34–>mi28nm or Rafale–>Mirage 2000dRMV with 7 hammers–>ah64e) how r u gonna stop that in a elde?
Sure that doesnt make the gripen bad, i love the gripper, but considering cas pressure from the air its just a completely different league compared to what most other nations can bring
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i know that guy is not a tornado user and i can prove it
to be fair i put it here bcz of the brims other than that idk
i mean you literally said it “lacks CAS options” so like that implies that the CAS it has access to is not good. Which isnt the case really.
Kh38MT spam is about as skillful as shoving crayons up your nose. Theres nothing skillful about firing off 6 magic sticks at white spots from 11km with a plane that has access to 6 of the best A2A missiles with PESA radar and a functional FM.
And again, while yes the gripen cant “technically” (if the stars align and you use SDBs you can technically get like 6-7 kills per one flyover. Does it happen? nope, highest ive gotten over one flyover was 5) nuke an entire match it can very much kill up to 4 people and rearm. Plus you can force dogfights with it pretty well, so you can work around the lack of fox 3s. Hopefully gripen E will alleviate this issue with fuselage hardpoints but thats for a different thread.
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uh huh.
in all honesty if the tornado wasnt one of my favourite planes IRL i wouldnt be even touching the SLE. Saying that SLE (and by proxy the Gr4) are in any way good at the current BR is kinda a lie.
As for brimstones, on typhoons yea they are very good
Do you understand that the hard part is not just popping up and spamming those hoping they dont get intercepted but actually doing that while theres planes, helis and aa up and not dying and just having your 700 sp for the plane go poof? and yes, im hoping for gripen e to at least have one cas asset in the swedish tree that would be somewhat of equal power considering cas loadout like the stuff that now almost every other nation in game has.
because it does? what are your options for top tier? gripen c and f16am. both are lacking in cas loadout. doesnt make them bad planes and doesnt inherently have to be a bad thing because you can concentrate more on cap. Well most other nations can wipe the battlefield and still do cap. with the same plane and the same loadout…
helis? yeah if you want to blow some sp…
i was talking about myself
what did you just said
Brimstones are useless for SEAD, they are only usable after SEAD has been done.
Sure the Typhoon can lob PW4s for that, but the Tonkas, they are totally over BRed
yes, because i literally play that gods forsaken BR. You like with everything use your brain and prioritize the threats and then deal with them rapidly. If theres an Su30SM or something similar locking me im not gonna be like “yo you know what would be rad rn, how about i go do CAS”. You deal with things that come up accordingly. If the map is mountainous you can afford doing dogfights without many problems. On flat maps you gotta keep in mind to stay down low.
2x 9M, 2x 120s, 6x D mavs, 2x Penguins or GBU24s for F16AM
As for gripen C, 2x 9Ms, 3x G mavs, 4x SDBs.
If youre happy with that and think that holds up compared to the top dogs then im happy for you…
Yea the tornado is really not great at dealing with top tier SAMs at all. Ive managed to come up with few ways to go about it but playing this plane is not good.
Like you can see here (ignore the background sounds, i was listening to YT at the time) you can make the tornado work, but this is less about the plane and more about the people playing it. Realistically youre at 12.3 better off playing the premium FA18 hornet, or the premium Su30MK2, or anything else that isnt a tornado.
Compared to most, Sweden has been lacking in CAS.
No FnF heli is the first one, not really much more to say there.
But on fixed wing.
Gripen A has 4x AGM-65Bs. Sure, AGM-65Bs are fairly standard on the F-16s at that BR, and it does get a Tpod, but others usually have 6x AGM-65Bs and double the avaiable AAMs. Also taking 4x AGM-65B gives up all the BOL.
The Gripen C does get better with AGM-65Gs, but again only 4, at the same BR as F-16s that can run 6x AGM-65Ds whilst maintaining a 2+2 A2A fit, Gripen has to give up Fox-3s and BOL to maintain that payload. That is weaker than things like the Harrier Gr7 interms of both A2A and A2G. Only real saving grace is the GBU-39s imo.
Sure they are usable, but bottom of the bracket quite a bit. You have to choose what you want to do in them and that limits them quite a bit. Its a compromise no one else has to do.
the F-18 is a GBU truck, no AGM-65s from what I can see. Which can be fine, but not amazing, certainly not compared to any other 12.7 , or even a few 12.3s like the Su-30 premium.
the F-16AM has been Swedens first half decent top tier CAS option… ever. Its quite notable actually.
Gripen E is long overdue.
As for the ASJ37 you mentioned, its okay at the BR, but comes with a LOT of compromises.
Its fair to say that Sweden might have usable CAS, but its some of the weakest CAS options out of any nation at the moment, literally carried by the F-16AM imo.
My Strategy for the tornado GR4… is to just play the Torando GR1 at 11.7 :D I tried it when it was new, it was okay, but now… uptiering my entire lineup from 11.7 to 12.3 for a Tornado that is not that big of an upgrade over the GR1 tbh… just feels dumb. If I play 12.7, I’ll bring the Typhoon.
Just a shame GBUs dont work at the moment.
Ye it’s nice that IRIS-T isn’t as OP anymore
When the Leo 2A7 was added, there were ppl defending Germany cause Sweden got basically the same tank but better CAS.
Ig I’m not too surprised that changed with things like EF 2000 being added, and FR and IT getting Leo’s.
USA is the most powerful overall at the top end.
As OP CAS as Soviets with a far better tank lineup to go with it.
It’s been USA for like… 5 years now.
Soviets have OP CAS like USA, though its tank lineup isn’t as strong.
USA has strong lineups at 4.0, 6.0, 6.7, 7.0, 7.7, 8.3, 9, 10.3, and top end.
Of course strong tanks attract everyone regardless of skill.