>Come into ZTZ 99A thread
>America mains crawl out of the woodwork to bitch about the abrams for some reason
Every day, forever, until the heat death of the universe
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Everytime
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What else does integrated spall liner mean then?
Your graphic shows that a blanket spall liner doesn’t make sense if its in the armour array and there is no blankets in the crew compartments.
@SneedSellsFeed I’m not here to argue whats possible or not, please don’t put assumptions in my mouth.
My graphic was to show the misconception about Integrated spall liner that Sartt and Nano fight over.
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How can it show a misconception if it’s an impossibility?
I genuinely don’t know what to even reply to this with its genuinely stupid
I think Chinese tanks SUCK
whaaaat?! DDD:
Yeah, they currently indeed do in-game.
I’m banking on them fixing the issues I described here:
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/s :)
Sartt said “Spall Liner is wedged between the plates”
That doesn’t make sense, as Nano has shown in his graphic. How can a spall liner in the armour array catch spall from the plates that it is in front of. Nano’s art shows this doesn’t make sense. IF SOMEHOW the abrams does have a integrated SL then it would be closer to how my graphic showed its protection.
Maybe I should have stated it in my original messages, the reason why specifically pointed out the Abrams and Merkava as they currently have the bug report open on Integrated Spall Liners, in case those reports were referenced. I would need to go read that research more on those and there sources.
My intent wasn’t to come here a join the shit spewing that is “MuH AbRaMs SpAlL LiNeR” so I apologize if it came off that way.
It’s okay. I understand. Thank you for your elaboration.
I want Minor tanks to be a better spot. Every nations suffer from Sweden and Russia tanks dominance.
Abrams have their problems
Challengers have their problems
Leopards have their problems (they are still really good tho)
Arietes have their problems
Leclercs have their problems
ZTZs have their problems
Merkava have their problems
Type 90/10 have their problems
Anytime Spall liners are mentions, any topic quickly devolves into cave man era unga bunga. Since gaijin decided to shoehorn spall liners into the game and only to certain tanks. It leads to a sense of unfairness.
Gaijin confirmed Arietes and leclercs would be getting their SL, Leclercs still have yet to get their and Arietes spall liners are just 2 dinky blankets on the turret cheeks and still not word on the ZTZ and theirs, actually insulting.
EVENTUALLY every nation gets their spall liners, thats going to leave the Merkavas and Abrams in a spot (gameplay wise and balance wise) where they don’t have them while everyone else does. So the that bridge will eventually need to be crossed.
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i agree with this.
Do the chinese tanks not have their angled turret modelled? im pretty sure that was a feature mentioned in their devblog so it would be a bit mad of them not to add it… would explain why theys till feel like they cant look down for sht.
you should add challengers and there many problems.
I don’t believe Russia dominates. At least not any more than the US.
I would personally rather play the M1A2 SEP over the BVM, but they’re clearly very close in performance.
Additionally, the T-90M is worse and all the other tanks that Russia has are not top tier.
The US, on the other hand - gets 6 top-tier worthy Abrams variants. (M1A2 SEP V2, M1A2 SEP, M1A2, M1A1 HC, M1A1 AIM, M1A1 CB). And a pretty strong plane in the F-16C.
Realistically, the Abrams is the 2nd best tank in the game. Tied with the BVM, and only worse than the spall-lined Leopard 2s. The Strv 122B+ and the two Leopard 2A7s. Essentially the same vehicle in my eyes.
The Type 10 and Type 90 are also extremely strong in the hands of a skilled player, and I would easily take the Type 10 over the BVM or the T-90M, myself. But that’s a more controversial opinion.
China, Italy, Israel and Britain are the nations at the bottom of the ladder. And they all have massive issues.
And, keeping up with the topic, I personally believe that China is the nation whose tanks are missing the most features and are most wrongly modeled (not the worst - as the Ariete is clearly worse), as almost all of their vehicles are missing spall liners that we know exist and have been described in this thread: Gaijin need to add spall liners to Chinese vehicles
The Chinese ZTZ-99A, ZTZ-99II and ZTZ-99III (also possibly the WZ1001, forgot if it also has it installed) are missing their laser APS. (It’s actually fully visible and even modeled as “optics” on some of them, it’s not missing physically, just doesn’t do anything.)
Most of them have wrongly modeled breeches, the 99A has the breech and LFP, gun depression, autoloader, innumerable things wrong. As we’ve described multiple times.
The VT-4A1 has numerous armor errors, is lacking a dedicated drone even though it has a modeled drone box, spall liners, breech armor, gun depression, traverse rates (hull especially has a far worse traverse than the 99A even though it should be the same).
Honestly, I could go on with their issues all day - and they’re all integral, logical, and infallible, something that cannot be said for the Abrams in-game. And I’m honestly sick of Chinese armor threads being effectively raided by people talking about the Abrams.
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you can’t claim the M1A1 HC is top tier worthy but the T-72B3 isn’t lol
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Top tier balance has ping pong back and forth between Germany and Russia the most. Before the 2A7 and 122B+. BVMs are rolling. Currently leopards are in favor.
I think most people would take some of the most mobile tanks over BVM and especially T-90M.
1000% Agree.
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I can, because the B3 is a lot worse than the HC?
I don’t think anyone experienced would take the B3 with the same issues as the T-90M but far lower survivability over the T-90M, while the HC is effectively an M1A2 without the thermals.