You underestimate how many vehicles Israel actually has. They’re a regional superpower and could easily grow to the size of other tech trees. The fact that it hasn’t is due to Gaijin themselves.
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Yes I do underestimate because I have no interest in Israel as a tech tree at the moment, I have doubts that this will ever change for good. In reality I never understood why it’s a tech tree. Majority is copy and paste, and it’s not Gaijin’s intentions, just because it’s, apart from Merkavas and late Magach modifications, everything else is content you find in french, american and fewer in sovietic tech tree, as a superpower has little of content to offer to the game which majority couldn’t be that much useful.
Should we delete China then?
Israel’s unique in that it offers highly modified vehicles. While it may not have many independent designs manufactured from the ground up, they are modified in a way that changes and develops gameplay. If you look at these vehicles without understanding what is different about them and how they alter the platform’s original gameplay, it will naturally appear to be the same gameplay when it isn’t.
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Please keep Hispanic nations clean for their own joint TT. Israel shouldn’t even have been added in the first place. They pushed it through, turned out to be rubbish, well, too bad, should’ve thought about it.
“Saving” a tree by just turning it into a mashup of nations shouldn’t be a valid procedure.
Türkiye because of M60T Sabra’s and F4E 2020
I’m pretty sure they Turks would have like 3 interesting vehicles lol, most of which are based on the M60 platform I’d say. Israel would need something different, but it’s all damned Pattons and Merkavas. Who even thought this would be a good idea?
Türkiye or Singapore
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Turkish Ground Forces Tech Tree Turkish Helicopter Tech Tree Have you looked at the vehicles in this subject? along with the Turkish sub tree the Israeli tree can be more various also with Turkish sub tree Israel could get low tier vehicles
Eh, fair enough. However devs will just add 3 Leopards and 1 Patton and call it a day.
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israel barely scrapping by to be a tech tree itself imo the fact that the tree starts at rank 4 is already questionable enough
Türkiye has its own mbt Altay leopard engine L55 gun
It could have, and still can be, a lot better. Gaijin poorly added it, the tree has lots of potential still. They gloss over unique potential additions and add the simplest vehicles to add, keeping the tree slim and lackluster compared to other nations. The ground tree has the most potential, which is the main reason why it couldn’t be a Subtree.
I personally disagree on the idea of an independent LATAM tree (and most combined trees in general), which is why mentioned them. The one thing that could change my mind is if a Latin America nation creates its own modern MBT and fighter aircraft, or heavily modified ones, that can compete with modern tanks and future additions ingame. However as it stands, there’s multiple countries that would make great subtrees for Israel. My favorite example being a combined subtree of ABC: Argentina, Brazil, and Chile, which hopefully wouldn’t be treated as poorly as Benelux was (but we know it totally would be 😭). The second favorite I would prefer is a Colombian-Ecuadorian line.
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Israel has so many options for rank II-III aircraft and tanks, it’s quite sad the state it’s in. Israeli coastal would also be very nice someday, but that would require gaijin to put in effort…
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Well, by a Hispanic TT I meant A Spanish TT that could receive subtrees from other nations. If we take that as the starting point Spain has had interesting projects. Some crystalized like the Leopard 2E (considered one of the best Leo2 variants), others did partially (like the Lince), and others were wasted chances (CASA AX).
However, that’s only for current modern stuff, there’s way more that could be added from Rank I.
On the other hand I doubt we would have an independent TT, because what would they do with the TAM in Germany, hide it or share it like the DF105 or Kurassier? It’s a mess!
Oh I see, what nations would your ideal Hispanic tree include in particular?
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I feel like Spain and Argentina would be the main focus, while Chile could also make an appearance due to its interesting armored fleet. I’m mostly talking from a ground perspective though! You can easily fill ground, air and naval with the first 2 countries.
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If you refer to rank I to rank III, yes, by using my logic—yes, however China is and can offer much more than Israel can as a standalone tech tree by early to top battle ratings either in air and ground. When I mentioned only Magachs (late specifically) and Merkavas because it’s just about that: the rest are just basic M48 and M60 modification to meets Israeli requirements or modernization, see Magach 6A for example,
Merkavas do offer a new gameplay of (theorically) working as a tanker for the team and frontline support vehicle when compared to the rest of tech tree which is mostly composed of american vehicles with little to no modification, french imported vehicles with no modification at all and captured and modified sovietic machinery, which in other hand, China does have similar vehicles to sovietic machine but actually with improvements, Tiran 6 adds a cannon-mounted 12.7 mm machine gun, while Type 59 brings laser rangefinder and APDS-FS at lower battle rating compared to the T-55A and same battle rating as T-54 (late variations).
There is not a single other MBT in the world like the Merkava Tank. The Chinese ZTZ99 is a hybrid copy of NATO and Soviet design choices and technology. Chinese top-tier tanks play and feel nearly identical to Russian T-72 Tanks.
What exactly do you think much of China is? China doesn’t get a single Home Grown MBT until Rank VII. Israel gets their first at Rank VI.
If you even think that the Sabra or Gal Batash is remotely identical in playstyle to the M60 AOS, you’re just completely wrong.
No, they don’t. You’ve never played them, and you don’t know a single thing about them. If you think the Merkava tank is less unique than a ZTZ96, I don’t know what to say to you. The ZTZ96 is pretty much a reskinned T-72.
I’m not sure what world you live in, but I’m pretty sure there isn’t a single other M60/M48 in-game with Blazer (Israeli-made first-ever production ERA). I’m sure you’re also unaware that Israel MADE DM23 105. In fact, most 105mm APFSDS DM shells are Israeli-made. I’m pretty damn sure using your own shell, your own ERA, and your own powerpack modifications is pretty unique.
Don’t see any of that on the Type 59. Pretty sure you meant the Type 69.
Oh, and that APFSDS you love? Israeli.
Your Rank VI uses Russian tanks, and your guns fire Israeli ammunition. What could be more unique than that?
Frankly, I don’t have a thing against China being in-game as is, but if you’re gonna insult an entire tech tree, you might as well get your facts straight.
China does get their ‘home grown’ main battle tank by rank VI at battle rating 9.0, I can’t figure out what’s the point of this? To say that Merkava Mk.1 is bad or what, this is underestimation for sure by using your vague presumption if I’m doing underestimation or not. As I said before, the only actual content that is given to Israel is on Merkavas and late Magach modifications, Sabra Mk.1 and Gal Batash are indeed unique vehicles, if you’re going to cite Blazer ERA as reason to consider a vehicle unique, the ZTZ59D1 is pretty much unique with its own ERA and better features compared to a regular T-54, again making this vehicle more unique, and so China’s tech tree, the majority of it.
To conclude I’m not insulting Israeli technology, even though it can’t express sadness or emotions torwards my opinions, those are machines, I’m insulting how Gaijin implemented it in-game and now this is what Israeli tech tree has to offer, Merkava were supposed to work as tanks to hold frontline, or perhaps they market it as the most armored main battle tank but it can’t do this job? This is ragebait, I sort of believe it can but at the same time I have my doubts about its armor, which is severly lacking in-game. Citing ZTZ96A is also worthless, as it’s obviously a T-72 adaptation, when in this discussion ZTZ99A is completely different from Merkava Mk.4M, again, unfair comparison.
Yes, I did meant Type 69, my mistake.
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I was making a point. If an Israeli vehicle using the first-ever production ERA made in Israel, an Israeli APFSDS shell, and Israeli power pack upgrades is not unique, I don’t know what is. You can look at a glance and say “That’s not unique”, but that’s because you don’t actually know what was changed.
This, for instance, is not an M48A3. This is a German M48A2C rearmed with a 105mm and given a completely different engine. No other country in existence has this specific vehicle.
This is one of the only M48A5 in-game as of right now and used signficant Israeli modifications.
This is an extremely early M48 model that no other tech tree has. It might not be unique outright, but it’s not identical.
The Magach 6A is one of only two non-stabilized M60A1 models in-game. The only other model is an Italian Premium.
The Tiran 4S is a T-54 captured, rearmed, and serviced with a NATO 105mm gun.
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All Sho’t centurion past the Centurion Mk.5 at 7.7 are unique to Israel for their complete powerpack swap to the M60 series Continental.
There’s significantly more to these vehicles than you realize. I’m sure that’s the same you feel about your Chinese tanks.
They’re glass cannons in-game. Can’t take a hit reliably.
I was trying to prove a point again. The ZTZ99A isn’t much different than a Soviet tank in playstyle and design. The Merkava has literally no equal in its field. There isn’t a single other MBT designed like it.