yeah sure
definitely nothing changed in the cockpits to let them use western weapons
its almost like they have had modifications since soviet times or something
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“Modifications” XD
Are these modifications in the room with us? They can’t use newer weapons on the fly (except for HARM, which is mostly a “fire in general direction” weapon anyway) and have to preprogram them before flying.
It’s just their way to workaround compatibility on said airframes
wow, are you really telling me that their have been no modifications to the aircrafts avionics and electronics to integrate these weapons, despite having loads of sources for their being modifications?
and you know, making a special pylon to mount them…
that sounds like extra integration work
like actually, thats a far more absurd claim than saying F15 should get mica
at least for that the wiring is compatable so it would only be software changes
mig29 serbia got hypersonic weapons with no modification at all…
Considering these “modifications” were before the donation of said weapons? Yes.
They were literally jerry rigged on just good enough to hit targets.
I believe the word you’re looking for is adapter. There’s plenty of those in NATO, for uh, interoperability? Polish MiG-29s, anyone?
thats cause of the pylons its mounted on
ok so you are saying anything that can be used at the most basic level of functionality possible, with both software changes and an adapter should be added with its full capabilities?
ok so where is kh38 on an f15
like seriously that is how absurd that standard of integration is
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You’re joking, right?
Please say yes 😭
who is wired to the cockpit FCS tablet.
its the same concept but just different size and form of pylons.
like i said, not everything is the same.
china one might be wireless while us one might wired.
still not comparable in the slightest, as one requires new wiring while this one is literally just mounting it and bringing the Tablet with you
both are controled by tables in the cockpit
both are either wireless or wired and still comunicate to the weapons either way
both didnt require modification to the airframe.
how is it different ?
being wired requires changes to the airframe internals… or software if the wiring is compatible
afaik the UKR managed to get the HARM working by making the plane id it as a different missile
ok but how do you know that they are wired ?
? i never said they were i merely brought up the fact that the serb MIG-29´s can use those missile via a pylon that doesnt need any kind of changes or interaction with to/the plane.
while the argument was about how the UKR MIG-29 can use HARMS via jerry rigging or whatever and the serb mig-29 with the SWFCS pylon should not be used as proof that the other can do the same
ok but that wasnt the point.
my respond was about someone telling that it required to modify the avionis and airframe to use, for exemple, western weapons.
wired or wireless, it doesnt change a single thing apart from having more screen in the cockpit and 2-3 cables russina through the frame.
you are literally contradicting yourself, running “2-3” more cables trough a plane is modifying it, and as far as i am aware they only got the western ordinance working in a rudimentary way by making the plane ID it as a different (most likley Russian) missile which takes away most of its functions
adding cable that doesnt change the plane itself is not modifying it.
nothing has been done to the plane itself, so ? whats different about the plane with 3 more cable and a tablet.
cant hurt the perf nor the fuel consumption. execpt ofc the new weapons.