They have slightly better hull armor, but not enough by a longshot to offset the reload advantage of the Abrams.
But that is more for a ground topic I think.
The Meteor can be added with other similiarly capable missiles. The UK will likely get the F35 when the F22 is added, so the F35 is the counter.
The F15 GE is not the only aircraft with AIM-120Ds. If the F15 GE was the only aircraft with the AIM-120D, that might be a reasonable comparison.
I think the F22 is overhyped and underhyped. I think too many people put way too much stock in certain aircraft beating the F22 once or twice in war games where the F22 is heavily disadvantaged but also manages to win more than it loses. Will the F22 be an unstoppable monster that requires zero intelligence to fly? No. Will the F22 be a very capable plane? Also no. I think the F22 will be made very mediocre in game and likely be outclassed intentionally by other planes added at the same time. The result will be US mains upset that one of the most dominant planes ever made isn’t great in game and foreign mains complaining that US mains just want OP shit.
No, all AIM-120s.
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Then the UK, only having the F-35B currently and thus the far weaker version of the F-35 compared either the A and C let alone the F-22, can get Meteors to balance it against said aircraft… (which should have been intergrated already if the the US did break their contract)
Though it is funny how US mains are already arguing that the F-22 needs equal or superior missile to the Typhoon.
I think this depends on whether the F22 added to wt will have access to hmd and irst or just the base 1990s configuration.
So now you want F35s with Meteors? And you claim US mains want to be OP.
The F22 will be at a higher BR fighting other 5th gen fighters. The Typhoon is not the comparison.
Based upon March stats, it is actually the second best performing aircraft in-game right now. beating out 2/3 AESA Typhoons, the Su-30SM2 and the Rafale. So… (and based upon the massive spike in player count, I think its pretty clear most people are realising its actually gotten kinda OP at 14.3)
I am not trying to deny that the 15CGE is overpowered, but I do not think it is appropriate to directly compare the 15CGE, which is not used for CAS, with other aircraft that are used for CAS in tank RB. statshark is not a pure ARB statistic but a combination of ARB and GRB statistics. Or is there a site that lists only pure ARB statistics that I am not aware of?
Its Gaijin. We’ll be lucky if they add AIM-120Cs to the F22, let alone HMD and IRST.
F-35B is objectively weaker than both the A/C variants due to the significantly increased mass ( and reduced internal weapons load?)
It would be a way to balance it to give it a missile advantage in another way.
Will it?
Or will it barely be any higher?
So, the UK will get multiple Meteor carriers, including the F35B, to counter the baseline F22 with no HMD or IRST and that sounds fair to you?
If AN/APG-77 radar azimuth is truly 120 degrees I think gaijin may need to artificially buff it to 140 degrees to keep it somewhat in line with other aesa radars at that br.
Statshark does split air and ground kills, but I dont think it does for K/D or K/S
But I dont think it owuld have that much impact in the results overall.
Barely be higher
Yes actually. Because that is the Fox-3 missile Britain operates / planning to operate on those aircraft.
But what do you expect? Typhoon and F-35B with Aim-120C5s vs F-22s with Aim-120Ds because the F-22 lacks HMD?
Does that sound fair to you?
What next? Britain isnt allowed ASRAAM on the Typhoon and F-35B because its better than Aim-9X?
Yes, and the US operated F22 Raptors by the time the Typhoon received Meteors, so the F22 should be added before the Meteor.
No, I said the Meteor should be added when other comparable missiles are added. I guess adding the Meteor to the US F35 would be a fair compromise. The F35 will be fine with the AIM-120D.
Yes, that’s how game balance works. The F22 is better than the Typhoon. Should it be added now with no competition because it was in service when the Typhoon entered service?
No need for artificial buff. F-22 would already have best FM or a FM on par with EFT/Rafale, Best TWR and a very powerful radar.
Besides that I believe they would add 5th gen with AWACS in the game mode with the new areal warfare mode. Since F-22 was denied this year, by the time it is added to game, HMD might have been completely be implemented(And possibly with AIM-260) which would make it strong enough
Okay, then that means the Typhoon can get ASRAAMs before the US gets Aim-9X then?
Please state what missile is equal in performance to the Meteor in the US arsenal then?
So … let me get this straight.
The Typhoon cannot under any circurmstances get the Meteor to counter the F-22 because the F-22 must have an equal or superior missile performance to the Typhoon, despite obvious long ranged BVR advnatages the F-22 is likely going to have?
So… Are you saying the Typhoon should be given the Aim-120D as the US currently operates 3 aircraft in game with the Aim-120D, Britain operates 1 and Italy and Germany Operate none and its unfair that the F-15C GE gets a missile advantage over the Typhoon?
The chinese can do it with less what Gaijin paying for their Dev team.
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I already find 70 degree gimbal limit a bit annoying at 14.7. I don’t know how people would feel about 60 degree gimbal limit against planes with greater gimbal limits like efts and su35s/su30sm2 which are able to hold the datalink once the awacs go down by the next gen medium range missiles.
But of course this may not be the case since I’m just going by the wikipedia stated specs for the AN/APG-77 and more reliable sources may suggest greater capabilities to its radar.
I agree, 60 degree limit is going to be quite annoying but i still don’t think artificial buff is required. Maybe they could place AWACS 200km+ away from battlefield with strong EW suite to defend itself against
Sure, why not.
None that I’m aware of. The PL15 is probably the closest missile I know of but even then its just dual pulse.
If the Typhoon is put at the same BR as the F22 and expected to be its counter, then sure, it can get the Meteor. If the the F35 is added and Typhoon is not moved up and expected to be the only counter to the F22, then why would it be given the Meteor? The US does not field a platform that is equivalent to the Typhoon. The F15 receiving AIM-120Ds is an attempt to balance that disparity.
Let’s say the Typhoon is given the Meteor and the F35 is added with the Meteor and and ASRAAM, while the F22 is added with AIM-120Cs, no HMD and no IRST. Does that actually sound balanced to you?