F-35B is objectively weaker than both the A/C variants due to the significantly increased mass ( and reduced internal weapons load?)
It would be a way to balance it to give it a missile advantage in another way.
Will it?
Or will it barely be any higher?
So, the UK will get multiple Meteor carriers, including the F35B, to counter the baseline F22 with no HMD or IRST and that sounds fair to you?
If AN/APG-77 radar azimuth is truly 120 degrees I think gaijin may need to artificially buff it to 140 degrees to keep it somewhat in line with other aesa radars at that br.
Statshark does split air and ground kills, but I dont think it does for K/D or K/S
But I dont think it owuld have that much impact in the results overall.
Barely be higher
Yes actually. Because that is the Fox-3 missile Britain operates / planning to operate on those aircraft.
But what do you expect? Typhoon and F-35B with Aim-120C5s vs F-22s with Aim-120Ds because the F-22 lacks HMD?
Does that sound fair to you?
What next? Britain isnt allowed ASRAAM on the Typhoon and F-35B because its better than Aim-9X?
Yes, and the US operated F22 Raptors by the time the Typhoon received Meteors, so the F22 should be added before the Meteor.
No, I said the Meteor should be added when other comparable missiles are added. I guess adding the Meteor to the US F35 would be a fair compromise. The F35 will be fine with the AIM-120D.
Yes, that’s how game balance works. The F22 is better than the Typhoon. Should it be added now with no competition because it was in service when the Typhoon entered service?
No need for artificial buff. F-22 would already have best FM or a FM on par with EFT/Rafale, Best TWR and a very powerful radar.
Besides that I believe they would add 5th gen with AWACS in the game mode with the new areal warfare mode. Since F-22 was denied this year, by the time it is added to game, HMD might have been completely be implemented(And possibly with AIM-260) which would make it strong enough
Okay, then that means the Typhoon can get ASRAAMs before the US gets Aim-9X then?
Please state what missile is equal in performance to the Meteor in the US arsenal then?
So … let me get this straight.
The Typhoon cannot under any circurmstances get the Meteor to counter the F-22 because the F-22 must have an equal or superior missile performance to the Typhoon, despite obvious long ranged BVR advnatages the F-22 is likely going to have?
So… Are you saying the Typhoon should be given the Aim-120D as the US currently operates 3 aircraft in game with the Aim-120D, Britain operates 1 and Italy and Germany Operate none and its unfair that the F-15C GE gets a missile advantage over the Typhoon?
The chinese can do it with less what Gaijin paying for their Dev team.
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I already find 70 degree gimbal limit a bit annoying at 14.7. I don’t know how people would feel about 60 degree gimbal limit against planes with greater gimbal limits like efts and su35s/su30sm2 which are able to hold the datalink once the awacs go down by the next gen medium range missiles.
But of course this may not be the case since I’m just going by the wikipedia stated specs for the AN/APG-77 and more reliable sources may suggest greater capabilities to its radar.
I agree, 60 degree limit is going to be quite annoying but i still don’t think artificial buff is required. Maybe they could place AWACS 200km+ away from battlefield with strong EW suite to defend itself against
Sure, why not.
None that I’m aware of. The PL15 is probably the closest missile I know of but even then its just dual pulse.
If the Typhoon is put at the same BR as the F22 and expected to be its counter, then sure, it can get the Meteor. If the the F35 is added and Typhoon is not moved up and expected to be the only counter to the F22, then why would it be given the Meteor? The US does not field a platform that is equivalent to the Typhoon. The F15 receiving AIM-120Ds is an attempt to balance that disparity.
Let’s say the Typhoon is given the Meteor and the F35 is added with the Meteor and and ASRAAM, while the F22 is added with AIM-120Cs, no HMD and no IRST. Does that actually sound balanced to you?
This is my expectation. Or at the very least they will remain in close proximity.
F-35 is a weak A2A aircraft, far weaker than the F-22.
F-35B is the weakest of the F-35 in A2A combat
So the only way it would be balanced is if the F-35, especially the F-35B was a notably lower BR than the F-22.
Its called the F-15
and the Typhoon is not a 5th gen and the UK does not field a 5th gen Air superiority fighter, meteor should be added in an attempt to balance that disparity. (also lets include Germany in this that does not get a F-35 from anywhere currently)
Cs, no. But Ds to D3s actually yes, assuming that stealth mitigates the range advantage of the Meteor in that fight.
HMD… really isnt that major of a deal, way less than most seem to argue actually. I very very rarely actually use it (though with HOBS that could actually change)
Same for IRST. I very rarely use it, the biggest advantage would be finding stealth jets, but the Typhoon is the only jet (iirc) that currently cannot fire ARH via IRST lock in-game currently. (IRL it can)
So… Does F-22 with Aim-120Ds vs Typhoon with C5s sounds fair or balanced to you?
What do you think about the 15EX? I think the 22-missile loadout could actually become top-rank meta.
22 is purely theoretical, 16 would be max
I’m sure the Canadian and Australian F35As will be added to the British tree, so that issue is mostly solved.
The F15 is not a 4.5 gen platform.
If a Typhoon variant is expected to be the counter to the F22, then sure. If the F35A and B are added to counter the F22, then I don’t see the need for the Typhoon to also receive the Meteor. If the Typhoon and F35A and B receive the Meteor, that would be very unbalanced.
No, but I don’t expect the Typhoon to be the counter. The forums would explode if the F22 was the only 5th gen fighter added to the game, no matter how hard Gaijin nerfs it.
I don’t think the F15EX will bring anything new to the game.
i think if they add 5th gens, they should add the J-20 and Su-57 as well which both only exist operationally in mid/late 2010s configurations at the earliest. Because of this, I also think they will add the F-22 in a similar configuration, with HMD since it was tested and with 9X-2 to match the PL-10 and R-74M. Whether or not it gets 120D-3 is debatable but since the only internal carry medium range air to air missile for the Su-57 is the R-77M and the PL-15 is the only option for the J-20, i think it isnt unreasonable.
For the European side of things, they can have their MICA-IR, ASRAAM, IRIS-T, and Meteor, but only if the jet is at the same BR as the 5th gens since they will have a missile advantage to even out the advantages of the 5th gens
I agree, but I’d expand…we don’t even need 120D. We need 120 fixed.
Also we need FMs caped to 9g, which is a great maneuverability equalizer.
When you cut the 16g envelope down to actual 9, you expand the speed envelope where an F15 can parry the Eurofighter in maneuvering by 2.5x. What ppl perceive as the UFO FM in Eurocanards is the consequence of overblown G allowance on their huge wings.
If this gets done, you’ll very unlikely see threads like this one anymore.