rafale is better or equal in everything but that and CM count, and CM’s can be conserved. AESAphoon has better FM, better radar, better speed, better defensive systems, better time to climb for a better launch platform, and ability to shoot and guide well into notch. Su-30SM2 can do the same, iirc it can match or beat the F-15C in speed and FM but i could be wrong. it also has more missiles and better missiles for ARB.
you still have to turn to notch and defend missiles. for someone who talks about F-15’s going in straight lines so much and being free kills, im surprised you dont know that. not everyone has an insanely OP UFO FM
or maybe US top tier players have actually improved because its been going through a rough patch from the addition of the EFT/Rafale up to when 14.7 was added and the F-15C GE got MRML racks, when we finally got a jet that was decent for its BR
and if it were placed at 14.7 it would still be good.
and in my experience, the F-15C can do that just fine, if you arent stupid enough to fly at 40k ft. I always target and always kill those.
TLDR, US main activates Brain cell = Aircraft becomes good.
So you are agreeing with me that the addition MRML racks warranted it moving up from 14.3 to 14.7. And now its gotten a second buff in the form of Aim-120Ds are still hasnt moved yet?
Holy moly, US mains are in total denial once again
im saying it is fine where it is, not that it needs buffs. maybe some fixes but thats really it
they are not the best for sure, but they are in a much better place now. they have some stuff that could use fixing but most tanks at the BR also need that
it would be nice if they made it on par with the Swiss one but its a good 12.7
depends on the loadout you give the Typhoon really
AIM-120Ds were not a massive leap like the Meteor supposedly is. Other nations already have the AIM-120 and or equivalent missiles. That isn’t the case with the Meteor. The AIM-260 has zero publicly available information. Anything people claim is just a guess.
They actually were though, the energy retention gained by the GNSS is quite notable, as is the 0 drift which can kill if you dont jink when notching
Which again, is why I would propose them being added as a counter to aircraft like the F-22 which hold different advantages in that fight. The F-22 does not need to have equal missile performance to a Typhoon. (though I cant wait for US mains to argue that Typhoon with 9M and C5s vs F-22 with 9X and 260s is balanced)
and if 260 does get added, then so can Meteor MLU and Comet as those are the counters to the 260, not the base meteor. Not Europes fault for developing a superior missile to the AMRAAM.
It is always US mains wanting the US version buffed, and its hilarious when the non-US version does really well. For example M1A2T which is actually doing quite well at the moment. As is both the F-15J and Baz rather steamrolling 12.7 currently. Though not seen either a Japanese Main or an Israel main argue the F-15s should be 12.7, in fact most seem to agree its a 13.0 aircraft
Why does the US need the F-15EX or F-22 to compete with the Typhoon with Aim-120C5s?
So far behind that they need to be at different BRs?
Really?
We have seen far far greater differences in performance be the same BR before.
Especially given the gap between most 14.3s and the F-15C GE is actually probably larger than the gap between the GE and the other 14.7s
Exactly, its stronger than most 14.3s it shouldnt be at the same BR and quite frankly I think some of the burden of the compression should actually be shifted onto the high BR aircraft. GE moving to 14.7 basically changes nothing for the GE. But for 13.3/13.7s it changes quite a bit
Its hard to deny its currently the second best performing aircraft in-game right now (would be first if not for the wierdly high FGR4 stats at the moment, but taken as an average, the AESA Typhoon is actually lower)
Even if that was the case, the Meteor is a different animal altogether and Britain also gets the AIM-120D. The US won’t get the Meteor.
And it’s always foreign mains complaining that US mains want the best versions of our own vehicles, while demanding US vehicles and the best versions of their own vehicles.
Why would the UK need a counter to the AIM-260 if the AIM-260 was meant to counter the Meteor?
The F-15EX was demanded when the Typhoon got the increased missile capacity, which negated the advances of the GE.
i could say the exact same thing for you. i doubt you would like it much if they added a better AESA EFT to the US the same way they have added better versions of US jets to other trees at the same BR
Only aircraft that gets the 120D is the F-18F. The Typhoon does not, unless they add C8s in a largely identical fashion. But what justification is there for the F-22 to need on-par missiles to the Typhoon?
Or are you saying the F-22 isnt as strong as the Typhoon and thus needs a missile advantage or at least parity to compete?
Why does the US need a counter to the meteor if meteor was meant to be a counter to the AMRAAM?
260 is meant to be a counter to the R-37M and PL-15. not Meteor. Meteor is strictly speaking in the same class of weapons as AMRAAM. Comet would be Europes equivalent to the 260, not the Meteor
and instead they added the double racks to the F-15C GE alongside BOL which was quite a considerable buff in performance , then they got Ds which seem to have pushed the GE quite comfortably up in performance quite a bit and they are still demanding F-15EX, with D3s and 9Xs to compete
Dec/Jan GE is a middle of the pack at 14.3/14.7
Feb it shoots up to top 5, beating out most but the Typhoon or Rafale.
March its number 2, only beaten by the FGR4 which there is something going on to result in it being ahead of the pack and only getting further ahead.
It doesn’t take a genius to know experienced players going back to USA (because new addition, like every update for x country) + “new” MCM mechanic to negate the need for notching would result in stats being better
R-37M is a whole different class of missile. Meteor MLU would be a closer counterpart but even then, the difference in time from base meteor to AIM-260 is smaller than AIM-120 to meteor
Giving the Typhoon the AIM-120D would be like giving the F22 the Meteor. It doesn’t need the AIM-120D.
No, I’m talking about 4th gen fighters like the F15. You do seem to believe the F22 is inferior to the Typhoon, so maybe it needs the AIM-260 to counter the Typhoon and the Meteor.
If the Meteor is the counter to the AIM-120 then remove the AIM-120 from all UK aircraft. It makes no sense for them to have both.
