Almost all, in fact. There are only a couple IRST which can perform ranging without relying on a laser.
I think in the FGR4s case it was more about defending against SAMs rather than aircraft though
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It’s on the same logic though. IR tracking from a ground threat would use a laser to range which would be detectable.
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In the future Gaijin could implement a system where aircraft can guide in air-to-air weapons using laser guidance, and this is a feature for Rafale, F-35, and Russian aircraft (including the Su-57).
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Typhoon too if you include the prox fuse on the Brimstone 3 and APKWS
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Could LWSs pick up laser proxy fuzes of IR missiles like r-73. Though you’ll likely be dead within under a second of detection.
While not currently a mechanic in game;
Imagine a rafale with MICA IR. It has a roughly 40-50km range Laser range finder with its IRST. It’s capable of guiding its long range missiles. It shoots at you at over 40km. With MAW being pretty unreliable - especially in the 16v16 environment, it becomes likely that you get shot down by something you literally had no idea was in range and aiming at you.
At least with a LWR you should be alerted that you are being locked.
Works very well against the ADATS for example.
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“What can save American top tier air?”
Better players.
If it keeps a GJ’s “standard” 7" missile’s seeker performance, it’ll be next to irrelevant.
xD except it won’t
Baseline it’ll have the same seeker as MICA
Not gonna happen.
MICA was given small FoV due operating frequency. Meteor works in X band, like 120.
If Meteor will be given AESA seeker, that would be another matter, but it’s very unlikely since the upgrade hasn’t been done yet.
Why not? It’s publicly known that the seeker the Meteor uses is based off the AD4A, no reason why it wouldn’t
There was a bug report not that long ago that was accepted to adjust the AIM-120’s seeker to 6° FoV
So erm, ahem, I think you’ll find that it could and probably will happen
I doesn’t matter. MICA hasn’t been given small FoV due AD4A seeker, but (alleged) operating frequency, which is, apparently, top of the J band.
That would be another no.
It’s not 6°, but 12° and the report is 2 years old.
Don’t you think GJ had plenty of time to adjust 120’s seeker if they wanted to?
The report did have an error and has been updated (has been correct internally since it was accepted)
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/QhYDPYj3LIRl
So its a reduction from +/- 7.5° to +/- 6°.
Not as much as the report originally stated, but still something.
MICA was given a smaller FoV due to a bug reported being submitted, why a likewise submitted bug report for the AMRAAM hasnt been fixed yet is unknown, Gaijin being Gaijin most likely.
The likelyhood is that the Meteor will either utelise its closest IRL “relative” as a placeholder or recieve its own seeker that uses a mix of known meteor variables (if there are any) and known similar seekers. In this case, that closest “relative” will be the MICA. So it will either have a MICA EM seeker or it will have something that uses some figures from the MICA.
Standard Meteor, no, It wouldnt be AESA
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usa looks kinda nice at top tier planes
aim120d-3 maybe?
It is now. Made this topic when F-15C GE did not even have MRML rack and it was the only 14.3 US jet
If they probably give it better seeker then other AMRAAM then it could be somewhat better (Even though other AMRAAMs should already have better seekers)
120d3 is already an improved guidance system, and an even better layout, which provides more space for fuel, mean more range.
…and the bug report said MICA works in Jband at about 19GHz, unlike Meteor that works in Xband (12GHz tops).
Problem is there are no grounds and GJ has a track record of rejecting even much more acceptable proposals. It’s highly unlikely that we’ll get anything better than the current 7" missiles have. Maybe, they finally accept 12°FoV, but that’s about it.
Meteor MLU is planned to enter French service in 2030 fyi. It’s probable that it already exists in some form - or will very soon, with potential firing test phase for around 2028-2030. This would also use a seeker based on the MICA, but the NG variant, so it’d get the AESA
Yep, which is why I specified “standard” Meteor. I wasnt sure about Meteor MLU
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brother, aim120s as they currently are modelled would mean aim120d3 would still be worse than r-77-1 and mica, aim120d3 would not be reason to escalate to meteor unless they actually fix the missiles.