What can save American top tier air?

[VALKEN]

@Code_649

As for turn performance, I still haven’t heard an actual, plausible explanation as to why the AIM-120C-5 should have a higher max overload (or at the very least, turn performance immediately off the rail/low guidance delay) than the previous iterations of AMRAAM with larger control surfaces.

I can explain this but it really wouldn’t apply to war thunder as they don’t really model it, so sadly the fight is in vain.
It’s 2 things primarily the layout was changed to a more effective weight layout for HOBS which is where people tend to claim it should have the capability for HOB’s, the real issue is I don’t think we have it confirmed which C variant introduced it its likely to be the c-5 through to the last before the D’s introduction which is why a lot of the reports get “not enough info’d” but its hard to source which sucks similar to how the entire US AESA radars will be cucked even on the f35 simply because the US actually keeps its classified secrets, you know secret unlike, the rafale, eft or the NO35 which is anoying but kinda reasonable for the devs to use placeholders.

Secondly the avionics are simply faster at processing and the fins have better actuating speeds/angles again doesn’t really affect them as it would only truly affect the missile if it have the newer optimised weight layout and and processers which it doesn’t annoyingly but its probably an engine limitation.

do take this with a grain of salt I came saw this question thought I would answer to the best of my understanding before falling asleep.

Happy new years everyone.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@CyrusJacob

Pretty classical of anti US tree players.

look again,… if i was anti-US, i wouldn’t played them so high in BR

and wouldn’t ask for AIM-120C to got a better performance state than current.

@Cpt_Bel_V

yet, i agree that AIM-120C should be buffed, it’s actually a pale shadow.

you’re just misleading yourself, if you think i’m anti-US.

[KENO]

@Cpt_Bel_V

the problem come from knowledge, mindset, strategy and tactics that are low to non-existent in 95% US mains gameplay.

i dont know what imaginary world you live in but this is simply not true for the average player of any nation, but for some reason when us teams cant win every game with a plane worse in every way on purpose is somehow a skill issue. ps US dont even have the worse win rate at top tier anyway thats germany

[CyrusJacob]

@Cpt_Bel_V

and wouldn’t ask for AIM-120C to got a better performance state than current.

AIM-120C getting fixed will give a bigger buff to EF-2000 than USA right now, you understand that right?

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@KENO

i dont know what imaginary world you live in but this is simply not true for the average player of any nation

Oh ok,… so my problem was about specifying the US mains problems,… but don’t you worry, other mains also have their own problems,…

if not the average KD plays of everyone would jump from 0.66KD(last month) to 1.2KD easily.

but players are learning,slowly, but they’re learning
the all the time median being 0.535

[HOMINUSNOCTURNO-live]

Well 1st they gotta stop with the Russian Cope lol The Devs i swear are getting paid by putin 🤣

[exeisdefeatable]

Is f-15J(M) better or worse than F-15C?

[KENO]

F-15j is a lil better but plays mostly the same

[exeisdefeatable]

According to state shark you have not played any US jet that is BR 13.0+ and only 1 match in F-15J(M) so why do you even want AIM-120C buff?

[KENO]

The reality is any decent player can maintain a positive kd in any plane at top tier but that doesn’t mean there arnt major problems the devs could fix with nations that are at a disadvantage, at the end of the day getting an ace in SM2 simply takes way less effort than doing it in a F-15

[object490]

Strengthening the top-tier U.S. air force in the game is straightforward yet challenging, as its current state clearly stems from bias.

First, we must restore the AIM-120C to the performance level of the AIM-120A when it was first introduced in the game. Currently, the AIM-120C can hardly be considered effective—almost like a “burning stick.”

Second, we need to introduce advanced aircraft that the U.S. military has actually equipped or produced in the 21st century. For example, the long-overdue F-15E with AESA radar, the F-16 equipped with the AN/APG-83 AESA radar from a 2019 contract (regardless of the contract’s completion status—considering the many in-game aircraft already upgraded to AESA or even overpowered ones like the Su-30SM2, this is justified), and even aircraft like the F-15-2040C project. We should not be placated with clearly underperforming or long-overdue aircraft like the F-15C GE or F-18E.

Finally, we must add certain long-overdue counterparts to the game, such as the GBU-53, AGM-84H, multi-mode seeker JDAMs (especially IR seekers), and the USAF’s AIM-7P.

Additionally, I know what I’m about to say might sound far-fetched, but Chinese players suffer similarly to U.S. players in this regard: unjustified nerfs to weapon performance (like the PL-12 and PL-8), deliberate downgrades to aircraft capabilities (the Chinese J-10C this patch, like the U.S. F-15E, was intentionally modeled as an early version with questionable radar data despite submitted Chinese sources), and unwarranted omissions of weaponry (Chinese players have long called for air-to-ground missiles like the KD-88 but have received no response).

Both China and the U.S. are among the world’s top air forces, yet in-game, they are ironically the weakest major air powers (apologies to Israeli players, but Israel essentially uses U.S. equipment and only gets what the U.S. receives). Considering that this patch, Gaijin even gave Japan a fictional SU-30MKM with non-existent weapons under the premise that “actual service doesn’t matter,” British players should also be able to demand the SU-30MKI (which is essentially a variant of the SU-30SM).

[Cpt_Bel_V]

because i’m not a fool enough to play an aircraft that won’t fit in the proposed gameplay.

and i prefer to play with my unfinished F2A (modification wise) before jumping on any other.

i have unlocked a lot of aircrafts, and i play as “non-premium user” (even if i had made the mistake to buy some vehicules in 2016/2018 period).

i play several nations,… and i can’t always keep up with the current game way to push for more aircraft instead of fixing bugs.

i know AIM-120C problems from bug-reports - and thus i know their current states.

the AIM-120C Buff would make people to start thinking that what they’re truly stepping them down in results are their own choices,… not the aircrafts/weaponnary.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@KENO

The reality is any decent player can maintain a positive kd in any plane at top tier but that doesn’t mean there arnt major problems the devs could fix with nations that are at a disadvantage, at the end of the day getting an ace in SM2 simply takes way less effort than doing it in a F-15

and i agree,… but the problem from the playerbase is present.

i playemostly at 9.0 this week,… i had several Hunters F.58/F-86A/A-32A crashing to the ground instead of fighting me whenever i happen to get on their 6, and despite my energy state,…

[exeisdefeatable]

@Cpt_Bel_V

because i’m not a fool enough to play an aircraft that won’t fit in the proposed gameplay.

So you yourself are agreeing American aircraft don’t fit in current game play? Then why do you say it is any average American main problem?

[Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai]

Very simple, give the Americans the most modern SU-30SM2 and MIG-29 aircraft. That way, they won’t be nerfed two days after being implemented in the American tech tree, and everything will be perfectly balanced.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@exeisdefeatable

Then why do you say it is any average American main problem?

simply because you thought that my saying were exclusive to US players,… but it’s only because i specified for them (as the current thread is US directed).

@Cpt_Bel_V

my problem was about specifying the US mains problems,… but don’t you worry, other mains also have their own problems,…

many other nations does use US made aircraft with US made missiles, and doesn’t deal as low results (in average, statsshark source),… so the difference is coming from the playerbase.

yet, i’m not as obtuse as i can appear to be,… but i prefer the “shock” communication than the “warm and calm” one,… because the lastest is often ignored.

@exeisdefeatable

So you yourself are agreeing American aircraft don’t fit in current game play?

because of map design and proposed gameplay - not because of aircraft and weapons (mostly)

[exeisdefeatable]

@Cpt_Bel_V

simply because you thought that my saying were exclusive to US players,… but it’s only because i specified for them (as the current thread is US directed)

Ah, my bad then. Sorry for miss understanding. I thought you were only referring to US mains

[KENO]

or at least decent versions of their own aircraft, not sure why they added the GE instead of an AESA F-15E

[Cpt_Bel_V]

all good,… i understood that it was misleading to @KENO too,… so i had answered that already.

[Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai]

No, it has to be a Russian aircraft so that it isn’t incredibly nerfed in terms of weaponry, maneuverability, or even engines… Poor slow F15…