And usually the hard bit is finding the target not tracking them.
Not really, what enabled the operation as it was is the insane mix of sensor fusion and stealth the F-35s brings to the table. The Growler is a great ECM plane but it can’t command the battlespace and relay targets like the F-35 can.
The F-35 gives you a mini AWACS, Growler, and CAS plane all in one.
Might have been, but im not sure. Anyway. If the Gen 5s have anything less than a 40-60km detection range in-game, I dont think they should be added because they will be impossible to balance
you didnt say all but you clearly said that the f35 did most of the job.
If I spot the target for you, guide you to the target, protect you from danger, and the only thing you’re essentially doing is being a bomb truck for me, then yes, I’m doing most of the job.
How is that so hard to understand?
PS: This is Target ID and Strike Coordination.
what danger ? there was no plane in the air and all sam has been destroyed by drone.
spot the target like radar signal ? guide the target ? f16 and f15 can guide by themself.
SAMs were also destroyed by airstrikes. Furthermore, SAMs can disperse and hide near critical infrastructures, creating localized threats.
It can be radar signal yes, the F-35 has an advanced RWR with geolocation. If it’s pinged by a radar, the calculated location of the radar appears on the tactical map inside the plane, not only on the RWR screen like most other planes in service right now. From there, it can use its stealth to approach closer than other planes could and advanced sensors to find the target for a strike.
It can then guide the bomb truck plane to a safe release spot, and take over the missile fired by the bomb truck for final guidance to target.
The only thing the bomb truck essentially did was to take off, fly to the safe coordinate given by the F-35, release weapon, go back to base. The F-35 did all the rest that allowed the mission not only to happen in the first place but to happen safely. These are all mission parameters that the F-16 and F-15 would struggle to accomplish so seamlessly.
so just like the soviet in the 80s ? but a bit more advanced.
Bro about to compare trash SPO-15 to fully digital 360° RWR with geolocation. 😭
just like i said, same concept but more modern.
Fairly certain all the Euro-deltas can do the exact same thing.
In fact, with the Striker II and maybe even the Striker I, the RWR contact (it definetly does this bit) and threat radius is displayed in the HMD for the pilot using AR.
https://www.eurofighter.com/news/outpacing-the-threat
Like I get it, F-35 has a few neat tricks, but its not just the F-35.
Soviet rwrs don’t have geo location just signal strength
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of course you cant have exact position but signal strength and the direction of detection can tell you where is the radar is, not saying by 5 meter or less.
Then you need to find it with a thermal pod(if you have one) while possibly being fired at by said SAM because your plane is not stealthy. Furthermore, the SPO-15 can’t even process multiple radar threats, and can’t even see AESAs. Bringing the SPO-15 into this discussion is absolutely ridiculous, just stop.
signal strength and direction doesn’t allow engagement. It’s situational “awareness” (a vague idea of what’s going on) at best.
didnt bring the spo15 into the discussion, i simply said its the same concept.
no no i never it can engage enemy sam, simply said that it can help guiding the pilot to the correct way.
you dont need all this when you have a good radar, just like you said that can detect everything. we have seen su35 doing so without using a pod. simply using a radar, same with su30sm.
i did not say that the plane need to depend on the rwr to engage. you said it
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It can still display the RWR contact in the HMD which is half of what Cyprus was on about the F-35 being able to do.
Though if we are talking about EFTs vs F-22/F-35s, I think its time for the AESA Typhoons to get that DASS upgrade in game
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First things first, the F-22 has at least 2 axillary countermeasure bays, + space available for dispenser(s) on the lower surface, immediately behind the Main weapons bay’s, of which I count the space available for an additional four or six dispenser magazines total (two or three per side, you may need to zoom in the photo). Which would give a theoretical total of at most 144 1" * 2" countermeasures, if they were uniformly loaded which is unlikely to be the case it’s likely that the concealed side Bays are reserved for flares where chaff are mounted behind the main bays to minimize the risk of jamming mechanisms open when launched so a more reasonable assumption would be;
72 (6, bespoke cut down(3x4, not 3x5) MJU 12 dispensers)flares and 120 / 180 (leading reference to ?MJU-15?, may be a reduced part count development of the MJU-11, seems weird to otherwise have a duplicate entry)units of chaff.
The dispensers used by the F-22 is known as the ALE-52, which appears to use a bespoke version of the MJU-12 Flare Magazine that evidently that has a 3 x 4 (12 countermeasure units) configuration, in place of the expected 3 x 5 (15 units) of the MJU-11.
The only issue is that the 1 * 2" flare size is not known to have a Chaff formulation, but it is known that the F-22 uses Chaff, so must have separate dispensers somewhere for 1 * 1" countermeasures, which would permit RR-170, RR-180, or later model chaff “war-loads”, I don’t think it’s rated for Flares but that doesn’t stop the M-130 (due to the presence of the ALQ-144(V) IR-Jammer, it is doctrinally redundant) on the AH-1F / AH-64 in game.
MJU-39 / -40 are multispectral Kinematic flares (one is likely to Covert, so has limited / no visual signature during deployment).
It’s likely that there is a jammer on board as well for Radar missiles, and I wouldn’t put it past the USAF to have a towed decoy or two onboard like the ALE-70 (as seen on the F-35) or some such systems too.
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200km-60km without being seen and sure, you can defeat those missiles, but you can’t see the Raptor while it can see you, and guide in it’s missiles.
Lol? No amraam shot is hitting at 200 clicks, 60km is also still pushing it. The Eurofighter can literally out run a lot of missiles in game currently, and the raptor needs to turn on its radar to see, it doesn’t have an IRST, it needs the radar or its blind. Highly unfortunate that the Eurofighter has pirate and an AESA, its stealth means practically nothing as soon as it closes to <70km. Where the amraam actually hits effective range.
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