need to say more ?
Yes no worries but it all comes down to forcing your opponent to fight on your terms.
Even the IAF disagrees with you but you do you.
holy you listen directly to the moderator ? wonder why they are buying all the media
Ive got to go for a bit, but the point is this.
Americans love to make it out like the difference between the Euro-deltas and the F-35/F-22 is the difference between a WW1 biplane and a korean war era jets.
The reality is that they are waaaaaay closer than they think and this attitude that the F-22/F35 will be totally and completely untouchable is nonsense and if they were, then there would be a significant BR difference between them and everything else
Before you go can you at least tell me in which topic was the RAF source about F-35 being detected at 60km?
It was in one of the recent US top tier cope threads, but I cant find it. Might have been deleted?
But I dont think the statement is that unreasonable for one of the best AESA radars designed specifically to counter stealth aircraft
huh okay? I mean, there’s a full detailed report of the bombing campaign of Iran written by a retired general and using information from security officials. I quote one part(and there’s much more):
“The integration of the F-35 was a game changer for Israel achieving air superiority over Iran. No Israeli aircraft entered Iranian airspace at any point unless it was led by F-35s, which could include the F-35 escorting formations of F-15s and F-16s from dozens of miles away; as one Israeli pilot told JINSA, they would not have wanted to fly in Iran without the F-35s there.”
Just take the L my man.
However having some source would be better than speculating thing. Anyways i would try to go deeper to find them since now i know they are available on the internet. Maybe i fail this time too. Also i Don’t remember seeing any other cope thread in past week.
there is no L, your simply putting or not understanding right. yes the f35 was used but 60% or more was done, and you quote, f16 and 15.
and what your saying here is the f35 did most of the mission and is the best bla bla, and to prove my point here is the media who use propaganda that says f35 is the best of the best and usa dominate this and that.
so yeah i say it again, f35 will change nothing to the world, its a stupid scam that is push by america into europ by increasing their defense gdp and creating more threat to sell more.
leaving things a side, only good thing about is carrier operation, that it.
More quotes, since you apparently can’t read the document I gave you:
Spoiler
“However, the F-35 also possessed the unique ability to detect air defense systems even when those defenses operated in survivability mode and remained invisible to standard intelligence. When Iranian radar or missile sites activated, the F-35 could immediately spot them, effectively serving as an airborne early warning or electronic warfare aircraft. It would then relay targeting information to other jets, such as F-16s and F-15s, enabling rapid and precise strikes against defenses that would otherwise have gone unnoticed.”
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“Israeli forces conducted strikes from long ranges and multiple directions, using drones and F-35s to target Iranian air defense. By the middle of the conflict, Iranian SAMs between the Iraq border and Tehran had mostly stopped operating due to coordinated air defense suppression missions.”
The F-15I and F-16I couldn’t have done these missions without the F-35 to protect and guide them.
The cope is unreal. You can say that to the burning S-300s in Iran and Venezuela bombed by F-35s. Ops, you can’t. They’re not there anymore. :)
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being detected and actually having a trackable lock are to very different things
Fair. But i would still like to see those documents
Notice how you went “F-35 dropped XXX bombs on them therefore its vital” to “well it just did the escorting and hanging around passively and such but whatever its still vital”.
If thats not coping out of pure yet helpless despair - one would wonder what even is.
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when the F117 was shot down was one in a million shot due to all the objects on the radar screen such as birds and stuff any radar can see a stealth plane not every radar can track one as it would easily switch lock its like trying to lock a plane low alt without PD
other planes could have done what the F35 did to be fair just israel doesnt have them like EA-18G growler
200 messages in 2 hours god damn someone give me a tldr
oh really ? holy sheet
saying that f35 does the job then proving that they didnt do it.
you can still make your own dreammy statemante, i would not judge capability of a air defense based on something so little.
even so, how do we know that both s300 destroyed are not the lastest variant ? how do we know maybe its a s300 from the 90s and not the modern one ?
i can say the same thing about patriot system who getting destryed everyone 2 weeks or so. himars.
2 destroyed in 1 week.
would that mean the equipment is weak ? nope
is it utilized in a good way how its suppose so ? no
so yeah i still stand with my statement, f35 is not a god and what it can do, other can do it
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Read my posts, here’s what I said:
“Israeli pilots dropped 3709 bombs on 2879 Iranian targets in 12 days, with F-35s being credited as a central role in target identification, air defense suppression, and strike coordination.”
Now you tell me where I wrote the F-35 dropped all the bombs cause I sure as hell can’t see it.
What I said is confirmed by the detailed report of the operation. If you have a problem with that, take it up to the IDF cause they’re the one originally saying that, I’m just repeating what they said.
It’s written black on white that the operation wouldn’t have been possible without the F-35 and that no strike aircraft had permission to enter Iranian Airspace without F-35s to cover them. If that’s just ‘hanging around passively’ to you, then you’re hopeless.
Are you sure that youre correct on that? Because the only source floating here so far with a 59km detection range (or recognizing range in the article) is the one from 2011 from koreatimes with an EADS radar dude naming that number for the ECRS Mk0
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