What can save American top tier air?

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As we can see the max thrust thrust each F119-PW-100 (engine used by F-22) can produce 155.7kN or 35,000 lbst of thrust with full after burner hence the total combined thrust 70,000 with after burner. Without after burner each engine can produce 97.9kN or 22,000lbst of thrust hence total output of 44,000 lbst
Now MTOW for F-22 is 83,500 lbs. Now we can calculate its thrust to weight ratio at this weight

With after burner
70,000/83,500 = 0.8383 ≈ 0.84
Without after burner
44,000/83,500 = 0.5269 ≈ 0.53

Now lets calculate the theoretical maximum thrust to weight ratio ( Only empty weight and nothing else). Its empty weight is 43,340 lbs
70,000/43,340 = 1.615

This is just the theoretical maximum T/W ratio of the F-22 which is of no use but i still wanted it include it anyways

Now lets calculate its thrust to weight ratio at 50% fuel with full air to air loadout with a pilot
In full air to air loadout it can carry 6 AMRAAMS and 2 AIM-9X so the weight would be around 2,318 and lets approximate it to 2,350 for the pilot as well
The F-22 can carry 18,000 lbs of fuel and 50% for it would be 9,000 so the total misc. weight would be 11,350. So the total weight of the F-22 would be 54,690. Now lets calculate thrust to weight ratio

With after burner
70,000/54,690 = 1.27
Without after burner
44,000/54,690 = 0.804

This gives us a range for thrust to weight ratio at minimum of 50% fuel to be 1.27 to 0.8. As the payload increase the weight would also increase and hence decreasing the Thrust to weight ratio

If something is wrong with my calculation or anything else i would appreciate it if you guys can point it out

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I answered you lol F-22 out classes them both at low speed. However the eft has huge SEP advantages and could likely win by using the canted vertical.

TWR isn’t always the best indication of overall power. How the engine makes this power and where is also very important.

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Just realised, swap the Brimstones out for Spice-250s. Thats 16x Spice-250s and 6 Brimstones. So 2x ASRAAM/IRIS-T + 4x Meteor + 16x Spice-250 + 6x Brimstones vs 2x Aim-9 + 2x Aim-120 + 24x GBU-53.

All that effort for 2x more A2G weapons and you have to give up your only major advantage which is stealth.

and it might be able to carry 6x Spice-250 racks. So that would be 24

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Ohk

532

Why does this have to be repeated? The F-35A is not giving up anything since its being compared to a plane that isn’t stealthy to begin with. Where a Eurofighter can fly with the loadout you mentioned, the F-35A can fly with more. And where a Eurofighter can’t fly because AA density is too much, a F-35A can fly with reduced loadout. This is a win in both case for the F-35A

Your point would be valid if the Eurofighter was stealthy and could carry this.

533

lmao can it even reach the target first. there is no cas in modern warfare, only long range glide/cruise A2G munitions or hypersonic weapons.

534

Ask Iran and Venezuela. These BUK M2 and S-300 sure did them good.

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535

Yes it’s also dependent on overall airframe drag.

But regardless a better indication is how rapidly an aircraft can gain altitude without losing speed.

The EFT can do this better than basically any jet in service.

If the F-22 tries to follow a canted vertical loop (say 45 degrees nose up with moderate g 6-7G)the eft will hold its speed far better than the F-22.

536

you just proved me that you know nothing.

use your brain to understand that its the mossad and cia tha killed these air defense while not even in active.

537

But it has instead a defensive suite.

You are operating on this idea that stealth aircraft always win in A2A combat. its an advantage, but it doesnt mean the otherside cant fight back. Like what is stopping the Typhoon from just dropping a few Britecloud when it detects the Missile launch at long range?

This attitude that stealth always wins because its stealth is just stupid

538

BuT iTs StEAltH. ITs Lockheed bro

The F-35 is the modern day harrier it does the same role that the AV-8A was slated to do except on the modern battlefield.

That’s why it’s perfect for the USMC

But not the right choice for the royal navy

539

lmfao. Israeli pilots dropped 3709 bombs on 2879 Iranian targets in 12 days, with F-35s being credited as a central role in target identification, air defense suppression, and strike coordination. Without losing a single manned aircraft, sustaining battle damage, or suffering a major mechanical failure. But hey, Mossad something if it helps you cope with it.

540

my plane can carry same as your but its better because there is stealth in the name.

he know nothing and dare to say what would a reddit usa fan would says

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So after EFT will rafale be at second place or F-22 in canted vertical?

542

Kinda my point

“Made in the USA” tags seem to have a defacto definition of “superior”

Which I just find a funny attitude

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543

these were the f15 mostly but sure buddy you can still live in your dream.

544

F-22 beats Rafale

Rafale will lose to eft in this manner and that’s been confirmed by Ate Cheut a former Rafale pilot.

545

Yeah, its a replacement for aircraft like the Harrier, but I dont think it replaces things like the Typhoon, Rafale or Gripen.

Which is precisely why they arent really being bought to replace those euro-canards

546

No and they can not it’s not what it’s made for

It can’t even replace the FA.2 in all honesty as a fleet defense capability

547

Ohk. Well thanks for the info