What can save American top tier air?

Nothing, and that’s how it should have been since it’s supposed to be a technological progression, and EFT/Rafale aren’t supposed to come before the F-18s, or the slew of aircraft you’ve mentioned.

Based upon an above source ,likely small/standard as the above source states 40 flares and 20 chaff likely large. If the pattern is fairly standard for these kinds of CM launchers then it can probably double stack smaller CMs so 60 large or 120 standard or something

Multiple people seem to be constantly.

Then they can buff the Typhoon up to IRL performance and give it AMK

At the same time, there is an attitude from certain players that “made in america” = “always the best by a significant margin” and yet if you actually take away the stealth on aircraft like the F-22 and F-35 they are actually kinda mediocre.

So you consider that fair?

Then neither should the F-15s and Su-30s.

Though god knows what Germany was meant to do with only F4F ICE

This is debatable, there is no data on its actual performance all we have is its weight and it is a CHUNKY boy.

And comparable in size to the F-15 there is a non zero chance it will rely on thrust to be any good at ACM and will have high wing loading comparative to fighters in its class, it’s not a harrier and therefore has no way to offset its high wing loading.

Maybe F-35 but not F-22

We do have one data about the dogfight between rafale and F-22

Well, it kinda is.

Very limited missile count
out dated radar these days
small CM count
next to no multirole capability
no IRST (yet)

Only thing really going for it is the TVC

Sort of that doesn’t tell you anything though except that the Rafale is quite good at close in fights irl.

Yes since progression in capabilities is the most logical step even if it means some countries would have multiple top tiers before another one would have its chance to shine. It does not make sense in any world for the raf/eft to come before F-2, F-18s, F-15s, Su-30s, Su-27s.

And as for the Germans, they were to either get Swiss F-18s or just play the F-4F ICE at an appropriate BR, nothing else to it.

Well, that is just stupid, if there was no Rafale, Typhoon or Gripen E, then there should be no F-15 or Su-30 either. Simple. The Moment they added the F-15C, the Eurodeltas were innevitable

So maybe there should be no F-22 or Su-57 until we get Tempest then?

How is it out dated in any way?

It also tells about how F-22 performs in dogfight

Its an AESA sure, but its not gimballed, thats a major advantage these days

This argument is a bit tricky because there are still a lot of planes limited by their poor modeling and missing systems.

The fulcrum could be a good top tier jet (pre euro canards) but isn’t bc it’s modeled poorly.

Shar FA.2 another example

Later variant Mirage jets

The list goes on

But gaijin has not showed interest in correcting the same few meta platforms.

Huh? That doesn’t make sense. F-15s and Su-27s logically came after F-16s, Tornados, Mirage, MiG-29 came. They were the logical next step. Later F-15s, Su-30SM, F-2A, Hornet, and Super Hornets were the logical next steps, not RAF/EFT

It lost is that what your saying lol

No, because you’re still ignoring the capability progression part

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In war thunder that would be true until they add system like AWACS

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6-1 was the score. Raptor won 6 times against rafale

So you consider F-15E vs Tornado F3 and F4F ICE balanced?