for example, when afterburning, the range is more than doubled for irsts from the 80s like the ols-27 on the su-27. goes from 10km non afterburning front aspect target to 50km rear aspect detection non afterburning target to 100km for a front aspect afterburning target detection. So, I don’t think something like the f-22 is going to be all that stealthy in IR if the all aspect afterburning detection is that damn high. OFC, all irsts in game are severely underperforming (none can lock past 30km in game due to artificial limitations)
Let alone the fact that IR Signatures are not modeled. F-117 does have IR reduction (a 0.5x multiplier if im remembering correctly) and is still hotter than an afterburning F-5 in rear-aspect.
So for all we know, the F-22 might be perfectly detectable at any range with any IRST if they uncap their range and I have no idea how well something like PIRATE & ECRSMK2 working together would be against something like an F-22 if half decent sensor fusion got modeled
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yeah but it should be .6 or .7 for someone below it with say a AIM-9D for example the duck tail exhaust is designed to shoot the exhaust up and out to cool it rapidly and it has theraml insulation to absorb more heat it should not be lockble from below as theres no IR signature below its above or level
I did have one claim I found a month or so ago that ECRS Mk.2 can detect the F-35 at an awfully specific range of 59km. I might be able to dig it up.
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That one
Interesting it says recognising the F-35 (which is likely to be shorter than the actual detection range)
Is that the one published in Korean news website? If yes than i have multiple questions
Yeah its from this article
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F-22 would be able to detect it as soon as it is air and in radars range. It would be able to fire first shot while Eurofighter would only able to detect it at around 40km with PIRATE and that too if PIRATE is pointing in general direction of F-22. If you don’t know where F-22 is coming from where would you even point your PIRATE? The sky is big and you would have to fight more planes and not just only one. You won’t be wasting your time trying to find a F-22 with PIRATE in a vast sky when there are other enemy jets that are threating you
What’s stopping the F-22 to do the same? It could just wait for Eurofighter to lose all of its missile and then hunt it
IR signature and stealth would be modeled, Not like they are irl but pretty close to it. Those two thing are very important for stealth fighter and i don’t see them adding 5th gen without those things
I’m just gonna ask one question before I continue with this, do you have a PIRATE equipped typhoon?
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No?
Explains a lot. The scan region is 2 seconds for 63x40 over a field of regard of 140x80 with vertical +60 -20. Having it pointed in the wrong direction isn’t really a concern.
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Well i could not find any info about that so thanks for this info. Now even if pointing PIRATE is not a concern, that still does not change the fact F-22 would fire first and there would also be other enemy fighter distracting the Eurofighter
Correct, but.
While true that a stealth is guaranteed to detect first, there are some things that need to be taken into account.
First of all, some of your information on PIRATE is on low estimates. I would have a read through these:
Additionally, on the assumption that the claim of a 59km detection range vs F-35 is true, the radar would also be able to detect a stealth aircraft something like halfway across the map.
It’s also worth taking into account that the game doesn’t exactly encourage BVR shots. Where an F-22/35 would probably get the first shot irl in a high altitude long range engagement, this would mean exceptionally little in game where the average launch distance is closer to something like 20~25km.
And finally, the typhoon itself does actually have significant RCS reduction efforts. It’s not stealth by any means, but it’s still difficult to detect. I wouldn’t expect any gigantic margins.
Where stealth will really become a factor is against internal missile seekers. A 16km range seeker rated vs 3m^2 (every single seeker in game rn) will detect:
A 0.5m^2 target (roughly where I’d expect typhoon to sit) at about 10km
A 0.005m^2 target (more where I’d expect the F-22 to sit) at about 3km
This will make missile evasion incredibly easy for stealth aircraft, and likely be their biggest advantage. Unfortunately this doesn’t help against IR missiles though, and it is worth noting something like ASRAAM is capable of some scarily long range shots.
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I might have taken low estimates but i have only said pirate detected F-22 around the range of 50 to 40Km that happened in 2012 red flag exercise, nothing else about its capabilities . I would go through those documents in few hours
That’s an assumption made by an expert. It either did not happen IRL or so far has not been reported which if it did happen then it would be a big news just like F-22 being detected by PIRATE. I would still like to know how the expert landed on 59 km and what all conditions did they considered.
ASRAAM would definitely be a problem once fired. But i still have a question. Would it be flare able if 5th gen is facing it frontally due to their reduced IR signature?
This poor man doesn’t understand IIR
yea :( Idk alot about modern IIR missiles and how they work. Well now that i think more about it i feel more stupid
It absolutely didnt happen IRL, because the article was written years before the actual ECRS Mk0 made its first flight. Its just a guesstimate by someone working with the radar
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