What can save American top tier air?

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I love how you need to focus on probably the most insignificant part of what i was trying to convey. 200km-160km whatever, It’s still extreme BVR.

Pushing what? The NEZ? Because that’s closer to 60km than the max range of the 120D.

So can every single 14.3 except for the Superhornet. And further additions to the game won’t change than. F-15EX will be able to do it. J-16 will be able to do it. The F-22 will be able to do it. (and probably without afterburning)

So does pretty much every other plane if they want to have any chance in BVR.
It could also just not use it’s radar on purpose to close the gap.
Not going to get into AWACs but that’s also a thing they could add.

Unbelievable cope man

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593

Unfortunately this all works on the assumption gaijin:

  • adds 120D
  • adds 120D correctly
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I really hope not. You’d have to be almost trying to do badly for the F-22 to flop but US mains will find a way.

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120A/B/andC aren’t even correct lol.

Not even 9L or 9G are.

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Assuming of course F22s aren’t just using Aim120C1 to Aim120C5s

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My point exactly.

598

Yeah, just look at the Abrams

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Also assuming we’re not on 128x128km nightmare maps where by the time you’re in a kinematic position to launch a 60km missile and expect it to hit you’re already 40km away from the enemy.

600

Yep that too. Though I am looking forward to firing Meteors at F15s from 100+km away

601

Adding the 120D is pretty much a given if we’re getting PL-15 slingers. I do agree there’s basically zero chance they get them right.

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typhoon gameplay loop c.2027

  • spawn
  • fox 3 (x8)
  • 13G turn 180 degrees
  • land
  • repeat
603

Nothing new. Just a return to the F14A gameplay

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604

aim54 if outturning it straight up wasn’t an option

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But isn’t the fact that how radar seekers are currently modeled, it’s still piss easy to notch and chaff them even if you’re within the kinetic nez?

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606

Unfortunately this is precisely why BVR oriented jets like the typhoon aren’t exactly meta (although I will say it’s still very very capable as many people still have no clue how to dodge. sitting at a comfortable 3.2 kd lmao). Missiles are so easy to evade that any somewhat skilled player can run you dry of missiles with relative ease.

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607

Gunna laugh my head off if the Aim120D has the Aim120B seeker too

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608

60m multipath good luck with that one

609

Yeah, that Is my big worry, that F22s will just return us to. “Fly at tree top no higher” gameplay loop the F14 forced everyone into

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610

thread about how to improve the situation of us air, is literally just british mains

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It can use it’s RWR to produce GPS coordinates to for a JDAM, or they can be handed off to -120D’s over the two way datalink to update the predicted point of interception.

So it does have some passive sensors, but as such mechanics probably won’t be implemented in game there are issues that the F-22 will have with the fixed AESA Array.

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